Dandies in Congo

[idfnl]

Originally Posted by lasbar

It will be great to have more knowledge of other sartorial scenes around the world...

How about the Nigerian's one?

A & A

 

[lasbar]

I can do one on the well-to-do Parisians called the BCBG ...

 

[RSS]

Not my idea of a dandy ... but then it's not my world.

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by RSS

Not my idea of a dandy ... but then it's not my world.

It is an impossible task to judge les sapeurs with our cultural and socio-economical backgrounds...

A Dandy in the developed world is much more than mere clothes...It is a way of life ,a certain view of the world ,a vision of our environemnt with a certain dose of anti-conformism ...

Are they Dandies? More or less than us?

They're Dandies because they share the same values than their richer counterparts even if the delivery ,etiquette and content are different..

 

[George]

Only an Englishman can be a Dandy and only an Englishman can understand Dandyism.

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by George

Only an Englishman can be a Dandy and only an Englishman can understand Dandyism.

Really?

Because of Brummel?

Dandies are present and have been present in a lot of different cultures for centuries...

 

[George]

Originally Posted by lasbar

Really?

Because of Brummel? Dandies are present and have been present in a lot of different cultures for centuries...
Really. Dandyism isn't about clothes.

 

[barims]

^ I think most of my favourite dandies are, in fact, not Britishers

Originally Posted by FidelCashflow

I once met a Nigerian gentleman at the Crockett & Jones factory in Northampton and got talking to him since he offered me a ride to A&G Martinstone in London. He worked half his time in London and half in Lagos, and he told me he simply gave up on wearing his nice clothes in Nigeria. He told me how a drycleaner took one of his Saville Row suits, kept it for several weeks, and eventually he tracked it down... and found the owner had washed it in a bathtub in his apartment

For posterity

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by George

Really.

Dandyism isn't about clothes.

Dandyism is a way of life ,of thinking...

You do not think that some Euroepan aristocrats pre-brummel were not Dandies....

Brummel found his own inspiration in Dandies from all around Europe...

Go and have a good read about the subject and look at Baudelaire ,Count d'Orsay and Jeunesse doree during the Revolution...

It started in France and England before going in different countries...

 

[George]

Originally Posted by lasbar

Dandyism is a way of life ,of thinking... You do not think that some Euroepan aristocrats pre-brummel were not Dandies.... Brummel found his own inspiration in Dandies from all around Europe... Go and have a good read about the subject and look at Baudelaire ,Count d'Orsay and Jeunesse doree during the Revolution... It started in France and England before going in different countries...
No, they were fops, macaroni's, coxcombs... An Aristocrat can never be a Dandy. ...

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by George

No, they were fops, macaroni's, coxcombs...

An Aristocrat can never be a Dandy.

...

No but they did inspire them especially the nihilist like the Divine Sade...

 

[George]

Originally Posted by lasbar

No but they did inspire them especially the nihilist like the Divine Sade...
I'm not sure if Sade had much influence in his lifetime as he spent most of it banged up. Interesting character Sade though. Much beloved by feminists...

 

[jpeirpont]

Isn't their a literary/intellectual aspect to Dandyism? I think to a certain extent the Sapeurs lack that, though I suppose Papa Wemba music fits to a certain extent. Either way, download some Wemba he is great.

 

[George]

Originally Posted by jpeirpont

Isn't their a literary/intellectual aspect to Dandyism
No.

 

[lasbar]

Originally Posted by George

No.

The Symbolists were influenced by Dandyism....