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Dack's shoes question

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Rampart, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. Towers

    Towers Senior member

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    They must be Cheaneys then, they are stamped made in England and look fairly recent;
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  2. MyOtherLife

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    Did not Hartt make shoes for Eatons? or was this the Dack's-owned Hartt chapter?
     
  3. daxman

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    After Dacks purchased the Hartt Factory (in 1957) they continued to use the Hartt name for the wholesale end of the Dack business. The same shoe line was marketed in Dack Stores under their name but the same styles going to all other accounts --independent shoe stores and Department stores -- were marked with the Hartt sockliner and boxes.
     
  4. COLONEL77

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    NO CHURCH'S SHOES WERE EVER PRODUCED IN CANADA BY DACK'S / HARTT AS ALL THEIR TOTAL PRODUCTION WERE TURNED OUT IN MAIN FACTORY IN NORTHAMPTON THEN SENT OUT AROUND WORLD, MOSTLY TO U.S.A. / CANADA / EUROPE / AUSTRALIA / OTHER SPOTS ...

    DACK'S WERE SOLD ACROSS CANADA IN ALL EATON'S STORES WHILE THE HARTT LINE, OFTEN WITH SIMILAR / EXACT STYLES WITH THE DIFFERENT HARTT HEEL SOCK / SOLE STAMP WERE SOLD ONLY IN SIMPSON'S STORES ...

    ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD OVER 500 ' DEALERS ' MADE UP OF MANY SHOE STORES AND HIGH-END MENS CLOTHIERS WHO CARRIED SOME OF EITHER LINE, WITH SOME STORES SELLING A LARGE VOLUME WHILE MANY ORDERED WHATEVER THEY HAD REQUESTS FOR AT WHICH THESE WERE SHIPPED OFF BY CANPAR / SENT BY BUS LINES TO REMOTE AREAS / FLOWN OUT ON MOSTLY TRANS CANADA AIRLINES INITIALLY, THEN AIR CANADA AIRCRAFT / OR EVEN HAND DELIVERED TO OTHER STORES BY PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND / OR OUR OTHER SALES PERSONNEL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ...

    IN RESPONSE TO TOWERS ...

    FROM THE LATE 1940s, AND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS INTO THE LATE 1960s, DACK'S / HARTT ALSO HAD SHOES MADE IN ENGLAND BY WILLIAM GREEN & SONS ( GRENSON ), IN ADDITION TO THOSE MADE FROM THOSE DAYS TO MUCH LATER ON UNTIL THE END IN 2009 BY DICK CHEANEY ...

    FURTHER FACTUAL CORPORATE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, ONE ONLY NEEDS TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, AT WHICH ALL SHALL BE REVEALED ...

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH ...

    COLONEL 77
     
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  5. Martin B

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    Hello. Stumbled onto your very interesting forum several days ago. I'm an almost 65 year fan of Dack's and Hartt's shoes. Started wearing and sellling (part-time going to school) Hartt's at age 15. When one wears a 13 1/2, one had to choose from the best since there were few options at the time. I think that I can contribute some interesting information as time goes by, but right now I would like to ask "tonylamer" if he still has the Camel oxfords, size 14 that he mentioned in his message of 2 Oct. I have had a pair of Camel leather slip-ons for many years.They have been some comfortable and still look pretty good despite one nice rebuild at Dack's and some not so nice work done at a local shoe repair shop. The style number is 7828 on Last number 87 (the square toe last). I believe that they started life as Hartt's, but now carry a Dack's heel seat as a result of the rebuild. There are six distinctive half inch "cords", three on each side of the extended vamp. Anyway, I can wear a 14 D (that's the Medium D now) and would be interested in those plain toe oxfords.

    I have a question for Matthew Dack and Daxman. I have forgotten what two of the numbers stamped on the heel lining refer to. For example: my Camel slip-ons show: 4135 7828 15, then on the second row: 421115 87. What does the 15 and the 421115 mean?
     
  6. MyOtherLife

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  7. Martin B

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    It looks as if I got into the Dack's Shoes Question a little late. However, if Colonel 77 or Man of Lint can answer my questions, I would appreciate it. Also, I was interested in the size 14 Camel shoes that tonylamer mentioned on 2 Oct. What's the best way to get his attention?
     
  8. FaceOfBoh

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    These just came into my possession: unworn, genuine camel skin, 8.5 F. From the stamp on the inner sole, these might be from 1984/85, the 150th anniversary year.

    I'll post some better pics when I do some up this weekend.

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  9. MyOtherLife

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    FaceOfBoh, nice shoes! Wonderful grain on those. I have a pair of Dack's camel wintips. Hope you lotion them, and if you do, let dry thoroughly, perhaps a few days. They may stay sticky after lotioning but once dry, will be fine after a brushing. Enjoy, and thank you for posting the photos.
     
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  10. MyOtherLife

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    You can message him here Martin : http://www.styleforum.net/messages/messages/compose/u/144200
    Welcome to Styleforum.
     
  11. FaceOfBoh

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    Thanks for your comments. What is this lotion you refer to? Pebble grain (and in fact exotics) are new to me. I only use polish, wax based and creme, depending on the shoe/need.

    What do you suggest?
     
  12. MyOtherLife

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    I use Lexol or sometimes I'll use various brands that my local cobbler carries. I thinly apply with my fingers and work the lotion into the leather by hand. Then I let rest until dry. As I stated earlier, you may or may not experience a sticly feeling to the leather after applying the lotion (conditioner) so let dry a day or two before brushing. I've experienced this on some old Dack's and Florsheim shoes. I have no idea why. They all dry fine though and are still in loyal service today.
    As far as specific treatment for camel, I just lotion as any other leather and have had no problems. Some of the members here prefer Saphir products to any other for their superlative results but this is a personal chioce. Personally I use the cheap stuff.
    As far as polishes, with this camel skin, I use no polish ever on them as they just never need it. A good lotioning once every 3 months or so is all they ever need.
     
  13. Martin B

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    Message for Man of Lint. Thanks for the addresses to contact tonylamer. His thread was actually in Feb 2012 and apparently the camel oxfords, size 14, went the next day! Chap from the northwest snapped them up. Lately I have helped a couple of merchants, who advertise on E-Bay, to decode older Canadian Dack sizes, for example, 312 or 4105 or 413. They were not familiar with using a numeral for the width. We established quite a friendly communication. Cheers, Martin B.
     
  14. MyOtherLife

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    You are most welcome Martin.
     
  15. FaceOfBoh

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    Any Dacks fan want a pair of Hartt shoes?
    They're 10.5 A/B - I thought I could make it work but they're too narrow for me.
    Cost of shipping and they're yours. They really are a nice shoe.
    These are how I found them; I've polished them since then so they look a bit more respectable.
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  16. Martin B

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    To FaceofBoh. I sold Hartt's in southern Ontario in my pre-20s years. We had a small in-stock catalogue from the company that we used for promotion. That would be in the early '50s. Your brown willow calf shoes are in the copy I still have and were called The Brentwood, Style No. 661. The shoe was also available in black calf as the Brentwood under Style No. 454. Now, here's the test for my "shoe recognition" effort. The number 661 should appear inside the heel counter as the middle number, top row. I can't remember the Last number, but it would appear on the far right, bottom row. Let me know how I did. If the shoes had been 14 C or D, I would have bought them from you in a heartbeat. I'm curious, where do you encounter these old, classic Hartt's and Dack's?
     
  17. FaceOfBoh

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    Martin B:
    Here's the number from the shoe:
    A/B 105 2062 4
    524694 65
    It's all Greek to me but no 661 in sight.

    I'm in Edmonton and find a lot of Dacks and Hartt in the thrift shops, many of them in completely wearable condition. I also find a lot of Canadian-made Florsheims, often in unworn condition.

    It's a shame that there's not much of a demand for the Dacks and Hartt. I'm always willing to hook people up for cost + shipping, not to make a buck (how could I on those terms?) but simply to give these pieces of quality Canadianna a third act.
     
  18. Martin B

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    FaceofBoh

    So - I didn't make out too well in guessing style numbers! Back when I was selling Hartt shoes, in the catalog and on the shoe boxes, brown shoes were known by three digit numbers in the 600 series; black shoes in the 400 series. What I don't remember is - what number appeared in the actual shoes. All my latter day Hartts show four digit numbers like your Brentwoods. We'd need to talk with someone who worked in the Fredericton factory to get the ungarbled story. Actually, I live only 1 1/2 hours from FC, so perhaps I can locate a contact.

    Anyway, thanks very much for your reply and suggestion re the thrift shops. I agree that it's a shame that more use is not made of these outstanding shoes. So, if you encounter any size 13 1/2 D, 14 C or 14 D, let me know and I'll give you a fair price for them.

    Martin B
     
  19. MyOtherLife

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    It is a shame indeed and praise to your efforts in doing your part to preserving what is left. You know, to my knowledge, there isn't a single manufacturer of mens dress shoes (or womens for that matter) in Canada anymore. Not even one, and for a xountry with over 30 million people, it is a national shame and somewhere, a crime..
     
  20. meister

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    Hartts are particularly good shoes especially the double sole jobs from the 50s. Near indestructible.
     

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