Luscombe
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RE @pransom Natty Veggy Tan
Same QC Issues- Different Manufacturer- One Year update
First, my Apologies to the thread as these are not Whites Boots. They are a $400 custom order pair, Made in USA, hand-sewn 10 oz Natty Veggy Tanned Mocs Size 10.5B. My experience with these is similar to experiences with White's products.
The photos show how they looked when they arrived and how they look now after one year. I wanted to provide @pransom with some aged patina shots so he can better visualize how his boots might look. While I agree that there needed to be more attention given to his boots to clean them before shipping, I don't think they warrant a return.
On these shoes, QC wise, the top-down shot shoes the right shoe with the blucher sewn about 1/4"-3/8" further forward than the left. This makes it seem shorter than the left shoe. The soles appear to be the same length. As an aside, the inside of the right shoe is stamped 10B and the left shoe is stamped 10.5B. The rest of the leather and stitching appeared fine but I questioned the sizing as they looked different and felt different on my feet.
I spoke to the manufacturer and then returned them for their review. They reviewed them and said the right shoe was mis-stamped, it should have been stamped 10.5B. They then sent the shoes back to me.
They still felt weird, I did not want to push it with the manufacturer. I think the issue with the shoes is more size than construction quality. I measure an 11B on the Brannock and should have ordered 11B. The common practice with these Mocs is to downsize 1/2 to allow for stretching, especially if it is CXL. This shoe has more structure and is stiffer due to the leather thickness so the break is not across the ball of my foot and the soft sole and squishy heel created other issues. I ultimately cut off the heel and converted the soles to more of a camp moc and that solved most of the discomfort.
Mail ordering shoes and boots, especially handmade ones is a risky business. It is tough enough to have to go through multiple pairs to get the last and fit dialed in. I get that the supply chain is broken and this has been a challenging year to say the least and as a result, we need to dial back some of our expectations.
That said, we should not have to be concerned with real quality defects on boots and shoes at the price point of these. I too expect better out of Whites and Bakers.
Yeah, and here is hoping that my HH SD's en route, will represent the best of White's work. One of the reasons they are this late is one boot had to be remade. Apparently, their QC caught that one.
This Photo shows the length difference. Shoes are about 4 months old at this point. I routinely left them in the sun to enhance the patina.
This is what they looked like out of the box.
Out of the box and on my feet, June 2020. Right blucher is closer to the front.
This is how they look in the sun today. Incredible Patina that does hide a lot of scuffs.
Same QC Issues- Different Manufacturer- One Year update
First, my Apologies to the thread as these are not Whites Boots. They are a $400 custom order pair, Made in USA, hand-sewn 10 oz Natty Veggy Tanned Mocs Size 10.5B. My experience with these is similar to experiences with White's products.
The photos show how they looked when they arrived and how they look now after one year. I wanted to provide @pransom with some aged patina shots so he can better visualize how his boots might look. While I agree that there needed to be more attention given to his boots to clean them before shipping, I don't think they warrant a return.
On these shoes, QC wise, the top-down shot shoes the right shoe with the blucher sewn about 1/4"-3/8" further forward than the left. This makes it seem shorter than the left shoe. The soles appear to be the same length. As an aside, the inside of the right shoe is stamped 10B and the left shoe is stamped 10.5B. The rest of the leather and stitching appeared fine but I questioned the sizing as they looked different and felt different on my feet.
I spoke to the manufacturer and then returned them for their review. They reviewed them and said the right shoe was mis-stamped, it should have been stamped 10.5B. They then sent the shoes back to me.
They still felt weird, I did not want to push it with the manufacturer. I think the issue with the shoes is more size than construction quality. I measure an 11B on the Brannock and should have ordered 11B. The common practice with these Mocs is to downsize 1/2 to allow for stretching, especially if it is CXL. This shoe has more structure and is stiffer due to the leather thickness so the break is not across the ball of my foot and the soft sole and squishy heel created other issues. I ultimately cut off the heel and converted the soles to more of a camp moc and that solved most of the discomfort.
Mail ordering shoes and boots, especially handmade ones is a risky business. It is tough enough to have to go through multiple pairs to get the last and fit dialed in. I get that the supply chain is broken and this has been a challenging year to say the least and as a result, we need to dial back some of our expectations.
That said, we should not have to be concerned with real quality defects on boots and shoes at the price point of these. I too expect better out of Whites and Bakers.
Yeah, and here is hoping that my HH SD's en route, will represent the best of White's work. One of the reasons they are this late is one boot had to be remade. Apparently, their QC caught that one.
This Photo shows the length difference. Shoes are about 4 months old at this point. I routinely left them in the sun to enhance the patina.
This is what they looked like out of the box.
Out of the box and on my feet, June 2020. Right blucher is closer to the front.
This is how they look in the sun today. Incredible Patina that does hide a lot of scuffs.