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I don't think those would ever delaminate. Do you think the screws back out?

The screws are in addition to glue and stitching. The shoe is designed for people working on uneven surfaces in the woods. Picking parts off the ground should not be an issue. :)

That said. The soles of your Red Wings and Chips are held on by both glue and stitching. Have both the glue and the stitching separated? The glue can be reapplied using barge cement/Shoo Goo by you or a cobbler. The sole can be restitched or replaced by a cobbler for less than the cost of new boots. In any event the life or your shoes will be extended if you don't wear the same pair daily.
 

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The screws are in addition to glue and stitching. The shoe is designed for people working on uneven surfaces in the woods. Picking parts off the ground should not be an issue. :)

That said. The soles of your Red Wings and Chips are held on by both glue and stitching. Have both the glue and the stitching separated? The glue can be reapplied using barge cement/Shoo Goo by you or a cobbler. The sole can be restitched or replaced by a cobbler for less than the cost of new boots. In any event the life or your shoes will be extended if you don't wear the same pair daily.
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The chippewa super logger is what I normally wear and they did away with the toe stitch that went through the sole. Does a peet boot dryer work well enough to wear the same pair day after day?
 

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The chippewa super logger is what I normally wear and they did away with the toe stitch that went through the sole. Does a peet boot dryer work well enough to wear the same pair day after day?

That's the same sole that's on my La Sportiva ice climbing boots. I like it much better than the traditional vibram sole. It's designed to shed snow / mud / pebbles, while the standard one hangs on to everything. It also has that solid toe platform for rock climbing. Kind of funny to see it around town or in a warehouse ... mine have hardly even been used without crampons.

To your question, I think even with drying, a shoe's lifespan will be shortened by daily wear. I believe there's more to the leather's recovery than just drying out. But even if you decide to wear them every day, you might as well get them resoled when they delaminate. Maybe discuss the problem with your cobbler and see if there's anything that make the sole attachment stronger.
 

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Called White’s & spoke to the repairs team. Sounds like combo last is still a ways out in that world. I was hoping to have my F/R’s rebuilt on it & have the steel toe removed.
The good news is they can remove the steel toe & take them down a width on a rebuild. .. just have to decide what leather to do the lowers in. Probably just keep it Brown Smooth but I’ve always liked the rugged look of Smooth over Rough.
 

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I am a NAPA sales associate so about 80% of the time I am inside. I was just thinking a 100 sole would offer much more wear than a vibram 430. I was also thinking of a honey vibram 100 sole to impact less. I go through sneaker soles in about 2 months with how much I walk. Chippewas soles delaminate at about half life of the sole. If they didn't delaminate I would guess the vibram logger would last me 4 years.

if you arent outside ive heard the 700’s last a very long time. The Quabaug heels are very slip resistant.

Does anyone know how slip resistant the honey vibrams are? Oil resist etc.

the regular black 100’s are notoriously prone to slip on concrete, ice etc iirc.
 

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Called White’s & spoke to the repairs team. Sounds like combo last is still a ways out in that world. I was hoping to have my F/R’s rebuilt on it & have the steel toe removed.
The good news is they can remove the steel toe & take them down a width on a rebuild. .. just have to decide what leather to do the lowers in. Probably just keep it Brown Smooth but I’ve always liked the rugged look of Smooth over Rough.
you should do a rough out black lower. I think the contrast with the brown smooth upper would be nice.
That's the same sole that's on my La Sportiva ice climbing boots. I like it much better than the traditional vibram sole. It's designed to shed snow / mud / pebbles, while the standard one hangs on to everything. It also has that solid toe platform for rock climbing. Kind of funny to see it around town or in a warehouse ... mine have hardly even been used without crampons.

To your question, I think even with drying, a shoe's lifespan will be shortened by daily wear. I believe there's more to the leather's recovery than just drying out. But even if you decide to wear them every day, you might as well get them resoled when they delaminate. Maybe discuss the problem with your cobbler and see if there's anything that make the sole attachment stronger.
The sole is awesome, just the glue they use is worse than elmers. I've never thought to bring them to a local cobbler to see what they could do.
 

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So this is an interesting point, regarding lining. Every pair of Whites I own has a layer of smooth leather in the toe area in addition to the outer leather. I just received my Distressed RO SJs a week ago, and noticed there does not appear to be that extra lining. These are also the only pair of Whites I have without a celastic toe. Is it possible that due to the RO leather already having a smooth side facing inside the boot, and no celastic cap to cover, that there is no extra layer in the toe?


I'm very interested in exploring your thoughts on these two points. As a hot-footed soul I am always trying to avoid swamp foot, which has a tendency to affect me when the temperature is above 40F even if I'm just wandering around town. I was under the impression that all White's boots, regardless of the leather, are lined in the toe and vamp and the optional lining is in the shaft only, which surely would make the thick oil-tanned leathers potentially the hottest overall for most of one's foot. Is my assumption correct, or do some leathers result in different (or no) toe/vamp linings?
 

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That won't happen with Whites. I do a lot of that kind of work on some projects I'm on, and I have never had a Whites sole delaminate. If you're overly concerned, get Smokejumpers, the soles are stitched on and screwed on. LOL

The only thing I can think of for why they delaminate so fast is from picking parts up off the ground all day. The boots are constantly over bending compared to normal walking. The leather stays pristine just the front half of the sole doesn't stay attached.
 

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So this is an interesting point, regarding lining. Every pair of Whites I own has a layer of smooth leather in the toe area in addition to the outer leather. I just received my Distressed RO SJs a week ago, and noticed there does not appear to be that extra lining. These are also the only pair of Whites I have without a celastic toe. Is it possible that due to the RO leather already having a smooth side facing inside the boot, and no celastic cap to cover, that there is no extra layer in the toe?

I will say that the only pairs of Whites boots I have that have a lined vamp are one pair with steel toes, one pair with celastic toes, and one insulated pair of packers. All of my other pairs are unlined, as far as I can tell. All are of oil-tanned leather, but I don't know if that is the reason they are unlined or not. Lined oil-tan would indeed be thick and heavy, and probably "sweaty".

Even with the oil-tan leather, I can tell a breathability difference between the work boots that I oil/grease heavily, and the more casual boots that I use dressing on less often. Stopping up the pores to improve water resistance works, but it also hinders the breathability (if that's a real word!) of the boot. A looser fit, lower top, and thick wool socks all do help to "pump" air though the boot as you walk, which of course cuts down on the sweat.
 

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That won't happen with Whites. I do a lot of that kind of work on some projects I'm on, and I have never had a Whites sole delaminate. If you're overly concerned, get Smokejumpers, the soles are stitched on and screwed on. LOL
I think even just the whites stitched and glued on soles wont come off compared to what I'm used to. Thank you for your input :)
 

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So this is an interesting point, regarding lining. Every pair of Whites I own has a layer of smooth leather in the toe area in addition to the outer leather. I just received my Distressed RO SJs a week ago, and noticed there does not appear to be that extra lining. These are also the only pair of Whites I have without a celastic toe. Is it possible that due to the RO leather already having a smooth side facing inside the boot, and no celastic cap to cover, that there is no extra layer in the toe?
Hmm, interesting indeed. I had always heard, including directly from White's if I am not mistaken, that every boot came with the toebox and vamp lined, and that unlined meant only the shaft. But sounds like you irrefutable evidence to the contrary! The plot thickens...
 

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Hmm, interesting indeed. I had always heard, including directly from White's if I am not mistaken, that every boot came with the toebox and vamp lined, and that unlined meant only the shaft.

I have heard that from Kyle too...
 

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Hmm, interesting indeed. I had always heard, including directly from White's if I am not mistaken, that every boot came with the toebox and vamp lined, and that unlined meant only the shaft. But sounds like you irrefutable evidence to the contrary! The plot thickens...
I too believed all White's had the toebox and vamp lined.

Can someone without a lined boot post a picture of the unlined toe... where the thin tan lining is would be missing in such an example. Not saying I do not believe you guys, only that I have never seen it and would like to confirm for myself.

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I too believed all White's had the toebox and vamp lined.

Can someone without a lined boot post a picture of the unlined toe... where the thin tan lining is would be missing in such an example. Not saying I do not believe you guys, only that I have never seen it and would like to confirm for myself.

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