Custom White's Boots ... Thoughts?

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  1. linafelt

    linafelt Senior member

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    The HH, like the CXL, has the natural edges.

    Yeah, I know if I scratched or scraped them that it would show for sure if it was CXL or not, but I don't want to do that if I am sending them back.

    I can't quite tell the difference now (though am pretty sure they are Horsehide), but with a little wear they will end up being very different. I agree about the softness of CXL, and I was always a big fan of Horsehide based on my experience with Viberg horsehide, but then seeing how creasy (in a different way from CXL) the White's HH gets (see pics earlier in the thread) kind of turned me off to it. I do not want "pristine" boots, as some guys will accuse you of as soon as you say you don't want quick and easy wear to show, but the quality of White's HH seems more like the cheaper stuff you see on Thorogood boots rather than the really high quality you see on Viberg, and it is clearly thinner than what I had on my Vibergs. Though I wouldn't question its durability over against CXL.
     
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    RickyTylerson Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if this applies with black CXL leathers, but with brown you and press on the inside of the leather and the oils move around and lighten in areas of pressure. maybe that'd be a sign?
     
  3. mogili222

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    Here are a couple pictures of my black HH SDs after I got them back from Bakers. I found that the leather laces that came with the boots made the boot lot bulkier that it actually was, so swapped them with the Alden laces that I had lying around. I will be getting some black flat laces to put on these later..

    These are 9.5C. Love how these fit widthwise. I probably should have gone with a 9 in length.. But it is not a big deal.

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    b-ewing Senior member

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    Messed up orders on MTO products just plain suck!! Nothing like waiting for months and months only to be left with something you didn't order or something that doesn't fit you... Thankfully, most of these makers put their customers first and go out of their way to correct any problems. Have had to have two leather jackets remade and three pairs of boots (remade or repaired). But I still accept these issues as I prefer an artisan/hand made product over the competition... Still sucks though
     
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    Regarding my SJs above, Kyle checked with White's who confirmed that they were made with CXL as ordered. I will take that to be true, and apologize for the false alarm. (Though I plead being misled by the clearly horsehide tongues they included, and the fact that those tongues seem SO much like the boot leather.)

    Anyway, I really like the way they look, and the heel job done by Baker's, so will now get down to the business of wearing them!

    First impressions with regard to fit and feel: Definitely feel much bulkier than SDs, and the full bellows tongue makes them feel tight around the ankles. I have usually worn a 10D or 9.5E in boots in the past, and after some try-ons and sending measurements went with 9.5EE in these (I found White's to be more narrow in the toebox than expected). Width seems right, but I think probably the length should have even been 9.

    Updated pics to come, once I put some wear on them...
     
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    @linafelt Glad Kyle was able to confirm that the leather was indeed CXL.. However it is amazing how close the HH looks to the CXL when new.

    What last are your SJs on and how is the sizing between the SJs and the SDs? Do they fit the same?
     
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    linafelt Senior member

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    Mine are on the semi-dress last, but nevertheless they seem much roomier than the SDs that I have tried on in the past. My sizing attempts have been complicated with White's. (Though I admit that I seem to have weird, hard to fit feet... I tend to measure on the Brannock between 9.5 and 10D, but I always have needed a slightly wider boot I know, and I only recently found out from the foot doctor that it's because i have both high arches and very flexible feet, so that my foot really spreads out when I put weight on it.)

    Anyway, about a year and a half ago I had a chance to try on a pair of SDs in 9.5D, and they felt really tight in the toes. Some time later I sent tracings to White's, who said I should get 9.5Ds, which I knew would not work. So after talking with Kyle, he sent me to try on a big pair of SJs (like 10" with big lug heels) on the SJ last in 9.5E. These too felt surprisingly tight to me in the toebox, but the length seemed right, so Kyle said let's go with 9.5EE in the SD last. But the ones I have now (SJs built on SD last = "bounty hunters"), seem MUCH roomier in every respect than the regular SJs I tried on, as well as the regular 9.5D SDs I had tried on. Length seems quite a bit longer than I anticipated, but also there is just a lot room in the toe area height wise. They are probably actually too big for me, but I put a pair of Superfeet insoles in and I think that will work.

    All of which is to say, I have found sizing to be pretty unpredictable and hard to pinpoint.

    FEELwise, they just clearly feel bulkier and more workboot like than the SDs. When you look at them side by side they don't look like they would -- just an inch higher, etc, but you can really feel the difference when you wear them. Partially no doubt because of the full bellows tongue, but I can't remember maybe the SJs have a steel shank...? Not sure about that... Mine are also fully lined, so that would contribute. I know there will be some ankle rubbing during the breaking in, but I think otherwise they should be not too bad in that regard.
     
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    Thank you again.. I also measure between a 9.5 and a 10 on the brannock. I am also beginning to realize that my size on the 55 last is a 9D. As the 9.5Cs that I have are perfect in the width but a smidge longer in length..

    Dont think there is a steel shank on the SJs. Not 100% sure though..
     
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    no White's have a steel shank.

    the length will change as you go up in width. Also, from my experience and what people at White's have told me, the smoke jumper last is noticeably narrower than the SD.
     
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    I would agree with that. My SJ and SD are the same size, but I kind of wish my SD with a width smaller.
     
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    linafelt Senior member

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    Current boot lineup:

    Chippewas (13 years) / OSB Trench Boots (1 year) / SJs (brand new!)

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    What are those laces on the OSBs? Also the Chippewas look amazing for 13 years.. How many Resoles on those?

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    The OSB laces are some pair of very dark brown waxed laces, which I can't remember where I got them! Sorry about that...

    Yeah, the Chippewas really were/are a great pair of boots. They got a LOT of wear over about 10 years. Started much lighter and slightly nappy, and slowly they got darker and smoother. Believe it or not, I never had them resoled, but reheeled twice (one I did myself!). The soles wore like iron; of course they were pretty hard and in snow slippery, but otherwise fine.
     
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    Thank you.. I am planning to get some of these laces on eBay for my Black and Brown SDs. They are around 44 in and am hoping they would fit.. I initially wanted the leather laces, but after seeing how they don't lie very flat, I am no longer a fan of leather laces.
     
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    I may order a few too, they look like good waxed laces.
     

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