Custom White's Boots ... Thoughts?

[blue collar]

Hey Gents

New to Whites and have been doing a lot of sizing research lately but need a bit more specific of an answer.

For reference I'm a perfectly snug Alden Barrie 11.5D and Viberg 11.5E (standard width)

One stockist I have been looking at has a White's 55 last boot in an 11E and 12E only.
What one would be closest to the boots I already have (Assmining 11.5E is ideal - not an option)

Thanks in advance.

 

[dddrees]

Stretches way too much.

I’ve not experienced that. I don’t doubt that you have, but I do have to wonder exactly why and how much. I haven’t spent much time here lately but I’ve not come across anything that would indicate this to be such a rampant issue with CXL. I mean CXL is used in an awful lot of boots and shoes.

 

[chicken1616]

Have 4 pairs of CXL. Couple of pairs of its identical cousin, Domane. Same thing. All of my other 20+ pairs of Pacific Northwest boots that are other leathers have not done this.
If this has not happened to your pairs or it is not a concern. please ignore this post.

 

[dddrees]

Have 4 pairs of CXL. Couple of pairs of its identical cousin, Domane. Same thing. All of my other 20+ pairs of Pacific Northwest boots that are other leathers have not done this.
If this has not happened to your pairs or it is not a concern. please ignore this post.

Well, actually I was just trying to get a bit more detail and trying to find out what exactly was going on.

 

[chicken1616]

For me, the issue is that they stretch out and there is essentially much less support. This is most apparent with the uppers, where the two sides stretch to meet in the middle and cannot be tightened any more. I ordered two pairs of boots for uniform in my new job, and since they were being used in the same duty, i figured is it was pretty good experiment. The one pair are Nicks 6" in Max Support leather, the other Bounty Hunter's 7" with black smooth lowers and lined black CXL uppers. I believe the lining mitigated the stretch some, but the Bounty Hunters are still at that "meet in the middle" point after 3 months (and less wear). I kind of figured this would happen, and I don't need as much support in this job, but I will not get CXL boots any more. Maybe a jacket though.

 

[chicken1616]

Like this

 

[dddrees]

Like this

Yeah, I’ve just never experienced anything like this, and you say this has happened with multiple different CXL boots from different bootmakers? This almost looks like what one might expect to happen if one gets the wrong size. I do wonder if you might be able to make this better if you tried a different lacing pattern.

 

[johng70]

Just chiming in on the whole CXL thing. I have several pairs of CXL boots and several pairs of shoes. They do tend to crease more - and it depends on how the creases form. Most pairs I havevn't had a problem but one pair of shoes had some bad creasing. It's great for low maintenance - yes, it scuffs easy but easy to rub out. But I've never had a problem with it stretching too much and losing form/support.

 

[dddrees]

Just chiming in on the whole CXL thing. I have several pairs of CXL boots and several pairs of shoes. They do tend to crease more - and it depends on how the creases form. Most pairs I havevn't had a problem but one pair of shoes had some bad creasing. It's great for low maintenance - yes, it scuffs easy but easy to rub out. But I've never had a problem with it stretching too much and losing form/support.

‘Yeah, that’s why I find this whole stretching problem he’s experiencing so odd.

 

[chicken1616]

the only footwear i have worn for the past 10 years (except for working out or beach), on the job and personal. are PNW boots, mainly White's and a few Nicks. When I lace CXL (or Domane) boots I can literally see the leather stretch significantly. The other leathers do not do this. That is where that comes from. If you don't lace your boots tightly, it probably will not happen. This is not from mis-sizing. The non CXL boots in equivalent size/last/etc. have not done this. I have worn non CXL boots for 12-14 hrs a day for weeks, and never had this happen. The lowers gets sloppy, too, on CXL lowers. That is why I tried the smooth lower/CXL upper on the Bountys. I have pair of horsehide CXL's. Same thing.

 

[dddrees]

the only footwear i have worn for the past 10 years (except for working out or beach), on the job and personal. are PNW boots, mainly White's and a few Nicks. When I lace CXL (or Domane) boots I can literally see the leather stretch significantly. The other leathers do not do this. That is where that comes from. If you don't lace your boots tightly, it probably will not happen. This is not from mis-sizing. The non CXL boots in equivalent size/last/etc. have not done this. I have worn non CXL boots for 12-14 hrs a day for weeks, and never had this happen. The lowers gets sloppy, too, on CXL lowers. That is why I tried the smooth lower/CXL upper on the Bountys. I have pair of horsehide CXL's. Same thing.

I’ll give you this I haven’t worn any of my CXL boots that extensively nor that long. I just simply have a big enough rotation I don’t find myself needing to do that. Then again your the first person I’ve seen have this problem so I just had to ask.

 

[chicken1616]

The Nicks that started at the same time, but have more wear

 

[Luscombe]

Rocking some Stevens in Natty Maryam. These are about a 1-1/2 years old. They were a beast to break in. Now they are flexible and I think my favorite pair of boot. Comfy and stylish all at the same time.

 

[Hellraysaz]

Like this

Have you ever discussed this with Baker's or White's?


Did they ever suggest an instep adjustment to circumvent that and keep the eyelets further apart?


More details here including a reply from @sambam from White's

 

[PACostag]

Rocking some Stevens in Natty Maryam. These are about a 1-1/2 years old. They were a beast to break in. Now they are flexible and I think my favorite pair of boot. Comfy and stylish all at the same time. View attachment 1952629 View attachment 1952631 View attachment 1952633 View attachment 1952635 View attachment 1952629 View attachment 1952631 View attachment 1952633 View attachment 1952635

These are looking sweet my friend