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Custom White's Boots ... Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Whacky, Jan 15, 2011.

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  1. linafelt

    linafelt Senior member

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    There's a lot of pics of the brown dress leather well-worn, and it always looks great. I assume the black would too, though you don't see as many pics. Seems like Whites CXL does not get the creases as much, but just gets the standard CXL early evo wear -- that is, scuffed up easily, etc. Black and brown oil tan seem to age well...
     
  2. hollowsleather

    hollowsleather Senior member

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    The wrinkles that you're talking about are loose grain. Typically you find that on the belly section of a hide, and good makers will avoid using it. A lot of the "seconds" and "blemish" discounted boots you see will have portions of loose grain.

    Every side has a belly section, so it's not a chromexcel thing, it's just a hide selection thing. Good chromexcel from the better parts of a side doesn't do that. There are a lot of makers using entire sides of second quality chromexcel that are pretty much ALL loose grain, but that's more common with carry goods, not boots.

    Basically when you see loose grain on a boot, it's a cost cutting measure. In order to be as efficient as possible, the pressure is always on to sneak portions of belly into products. Leather sells by the foot, so the more belly you throw away, the higher the pricetag goes.

    I've yet to see any White's or Vibergs with obvious loose grain, in Chromexcel or any other leather.
     
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  3. ojaw

    ojaw Senior member

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    Good info, thanks for that.
    Josh accepted my order today.

    1× White's Semi Dress
    1× Brown Dress Leather
    1× Single Celastic Toe Box
    1× Brown Dress Toe Cap
    1× Tan (Reddish Brown) Leather Liner
    1× No Pull Loop
    1× All Brass Eyelets
    1× Standard Trim Sole
    1× #269 Sole

    I've got funny (more hm than ha ha) feet that I've decided are worth the upcharge for a custom last.
    Narrow heel and wide forefoot.
    I've also decided on the Swing Last, not a popular choice here I realize, but I want that extra bit of room on the outside where my small toes often feel the pinch.
     
  4. CrackedCrab

    CrackedCrab Senior member

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    hey guys, really enjoying this thread. I'm recently getting really interested in Whites and Nick's boots. I'm not a logger, firefighter, packer etc...I just appreciate the craftsmanship, leathers, fit and look of these boots.

    Today I've got a 2-tone brown/red dog packer. Just treated with Obenauf's. The arch in the right is bugging me a little but left is perfect.
    Look forward to seeing more pics of everybody's collection...and I've got a few more models to post soon.

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  5. SkyShot

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    Thanks to Kyle once again at Bakers for help putting these together.

    690C Packer
    Natural CXL
    Natural Edge
    Single Leather Sole
    Celastic Toe
    Six Brass Eyes, Three Hooks
    Leather Laces

    Super comfortable right out of the box. The Packer boot is incredible. I had an old, beat-up pair of packers and always liked the fit so I gave these a try in a dressier leather. I also added a couple more rows of eyes to hide the hooks when worn. Classic workboot vibe.

    I can't wait for the leather to develop a little patina.

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  6. andy b.

    andy b. Senior member

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    NICE! If you don't want the big Vibram lug sole, but still want a higher workboot look, I think the Packers are the style to go with. Normally they have 4 pairs of eyes and I see what you mean as yours have 6 pairs. Did you have White's do that somehow, or did you have a local shoe place do it? I tried to get them to do brass eyes and nickel hooks, but they said they wouldn't mix metal finishes. And I have no idea why I wanted to do that, just to be weird. Andy B.
     
  7. SkyShot

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    I ordered the custom specs through Bakers. Easy as usual.
     
  8. Midguardian

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    It seems buying from Bakers or direct from Whites is preferred, but has anyone tried these guys?
    http://www.linegear.com/index.php/boots-a-foot-gear/white-s-boots

    Looks like they have a few off the shelf models. There aren't nearly as many customizable options. But I am thinking about grabbing a pair for size reference and sending them back if It isn't what I am after. May cost $7 plus shipping for cash refund, but I am fine with that when spending $500 on an investment.
     
  9. b-ewing

    b-ewing Senior member

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    Save yourself the $7 and do that with bakers
     
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  10. Midguardian

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    I have emailed with Kyle several times about sizing. I have asked about doing an order and exchange for a pair of SDs. I was told that since the boots are custom made/made to order Bakers typically won't do exchanges. That's why I was looking for some off the shelf offerings for sizing. And $410 seems pretty cheap.

    I will go to Bakers for final and subsequent purchases as they have been good to work with on my other Whites purchases and they have many more customization options.
     
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    I think Kyle will send you out a sample pair to try for sizing. I believe others have posted such experiences here.

    I'll add that if you have ordered White's boots in the past, and have found a size that fits, you can tell Kyle what you want and what your previous size was and he is VERY good at telling you what size to go with. In my case I had two pairs of White's that I owned, both different styles and sizes. I told Kyle what I wanted to do (get a pair of SmokeJumpers to wear with VERY thick socks), and he gave me a size recommendation, which was basically to go up one width from D to E. I asked him repeatedly if he thought that would work, and I'm sure he got sick of me asking. :D When the new boots arrived, the fit was perfect. Kyle knows his stuff.

    Andy B.
     
  12. Midguardian

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    Thanks b-ewing and Andy b. Will do.
     
  13. b-ewing

    b-ewing Senior member

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    It's true they may not have the exact same lasted boot in stock and/or in your size, but they can ship one that will at least get you into the right size. And because youll be doing it through them in the end anyway they'll have a first hand idea what to recommend for the actual boots you'll be ordering. Plus, they offer free shipping both ways ;)

    I had a pair of standard firefighting SJs (soft toe, and non lace to toe ones) sent to me for fit comparison with the SD; both lasts are very very similar. Temporarily cost me $400. We did a fit with me wearing them and talking it through over the phone. IMO you flat out cannot beat Baker's customer service.

    Regardless how you go about it, congrats on the future pair and have fun! For me, the process is as enjoyable as the end result
     
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  14. Midguardian

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    Just got off the phone with Kyle. He is awesome. He gave me a "last" tutorial that I thought I'd share. I have some LTT Smoke Jumpers in 10.5EE. I feel like they are getting a little tight in the toe box. Kyle suggested I could have those reubuilt to a 10.5F that should alleviate some of that pinch. He also said the LTT SJ is built on a 4811 last that is pretty wide. Based on this and the tracings I sent in, Kyle suggested I look at SDs in 11EE built on the standard last and 11E on the swing last. Makes me feel much better about my sizing dilema. I now just have to save for my build.

    Another thing to pass along, Kyle said if you follow Baker on Facebook and/or email them periodically with your size, they might have something on the shelf that you want. This precludes customization obviously, but you might be able to get a deal on them.
     
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  15. RickyTylerson

    RickyTylerson Well-Known Member

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    LTT SJ and SJ are built on the same last. I had also heard this about the 4811 from Kyle. I called White's to ask about it and they told me that they're made on the same last.
     
  16. Midguardian

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    Then Kyle is getting different info. He said the LTT 4881 last is different than the plain toe last. The 4881 is wider. I'm so confused.
     
  17. univibe88

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    I don't see many posts about the Nomad boots. Does anyone have any or know anything about them?

    I would love some with a soft toe and made from dress brown leather. But I have heard that White's insists on celastic reinforced toes and won't make them from dress brown leather. On that note - is black Chromexcel died through?
     
  18. RickyTylerson

    RickyTylerson Well-Known Member

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    Even when I was measured at White's bob putt wrote my size down as 10.5b 4811 for a plain toe SJ.
     
  19. ojaw

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    Completely dead, Horween makes sure of that before it leaves the tannery.
     
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  20. univibe88

    univibe88 Senior member

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    That's what I was afraid of.

    But if it's dyed through, then what about this discussion? How can black CXL have brown show through if it's completely dyed?



     

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