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n00b question. What is the difference between Elk Tan and say, brown dress? Are they both chromexcel tanned leathers?
 

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n00b question. What is the difference between Elk Tan and say, brown dress? Are they both chromexcel tanned leathers?
They are the same type of leather, according to White's, but from different tanneries and slightly different weights (Elk being 0.5-1oz heavier than Dress). I don't know how the tanning process differs from CXL, but White's CXL leather (incl. WF) is noticeably thicker than the Dress leathers in my limited experience (and probably around the same as Elk but I am, sadly, Elk-less)
 

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I am not sure the machines at White's can do a triple mid plus the Vibram 100... but give it a shot... and post pictures!
Somewhere many pages back are my SJs with a double midsole and Vibram 100. The sole stitching machine can't go through the double and V100, so in that configuration the V100 outsole is only glued and screwed on.
 

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Somewhere many pages back are my SJs with a double midsole and Vibram 100. The sole stitching machine can't go through the double and V100, so in that configuration the V100 outsole is only glued and screwed on.
I couldn't find your SJs' pics : ) but I could see you own Nick's boots. Do your SJs's soles look like Nick's Urban Loggers' soles? I can see screws on Urban Loggers (on Nick's website)?
 

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finally got to take my black shells out for a 2.5 mile stroll at lunch today. Very pleased, less a decent squeak from the right boot - maybe just needs some break-in or a coat of VSC to deal wit it. Overall, great boots that I'm looking forward to putting some miles on this fall!
 

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finally got to take my black shells out for a 2.5 mile stroll at lunch today. Very pleased, less a decent squeak from the right boot - maybe just needs some break-in or a coat of VSC to deal wit it. Overall, great boots that I'm looking forward to putting some miles on this fall!
They look out of this world!
I wonder how different is horse hide from Shell cordovan?
 

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It all boils down to personal preference. Viberg, Wesco, Nicks, White's. We all build them a little different. Some machine more, hand welt, Mckay stitch. All use the same basic tanneries as far as sole, midsole and upper leather. All will outlast any other manufacturers boots in the world. We at White's are always trying to make the best product and try to back it with exceptional customer service. Adding cork was to help fix the squeak issue and we didn't take anything out of the boot. So it didn't lessen the product. The double row cap stitch was only done for a short period to help upper sewing efficiency. Wasn't a time saver so we have since gone back to stitching both lines through the vamp. With 1000's of toe caps out there, none have come back with issues and none will. It a Ford/Chevy thing. Everyone should be happy that they have so many quality boot makers in the PNW who are still fighting to stay in business. We will never bad mouth any of them because we no how hard it is to keep the doors open. So choose what fits your style and your feet.
 

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hugely different. I recently offed my HHs (which is basically the same as cowhide CXL) when i made the decision to pick up these instead. The Viberg folks just went a a crazy rant about how Shell differs from other hides, so i'd encourage a peak into that forum, where you'll see there are A LOT of opinions... :)
 

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Thanks for such a professional response, @sambam. We are fortunate to have choices, but I'm proud to wear boots built and sold by professionals who don't take cheap shots at competitors. I've owned Wescos, Drew's, Nck's, and White's over the years. All are good boots in their own right, with different things to offer. I have to say I like the arch support on the White's 4811 and 690 lasts better than anything else I've tried. You really do have to pick what fits your foot the best, and go from there.

I'm not sure how I messed up the quote function, but here is the post I was refering to:

"It all boils down to personal preference. Viberg, Wesco, Nicks, White's. We all build them a little different. Some machine more, hand welt, Mckay stitch. All use the same basic tanneries as far as sole, midsole and upper leather. All will outlast any other manufacturers boots in the world. We at White's are always trying to make the best product and try to back it with exceptional customer service. Adding cork was to help fix the squeak issue and we didn't take anything out of the boot. So it didn't lessen the product. The double row cap stitch was only done for a short period to help upper sewing efficiency. Wasn't a time saver so we have since gone back to stitching both lines through the vamp. With 1000's of toe caps out there, none have come back with issues and none will. It a Ford/Chevy thing. Everyone should be happy that they have so many quality boot makers in the PNW who are still fighting to stay in business. We will never bad mouth any of them because we no how hard it is to keep the doors open. So choose what fits your style and your feet. "
 

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hugely different. I recently offed my HHs (which is basically the same as cowhide CXL) when i made the decision to pick up these instead. The Viberg folks just went a a crazy rant about how Shell differs from other hides, so i'd encourage a peak into that forum, where you'll see there are A LOT of opinions... :)
Send me the link please, I want to ready what Viberg folks have to say about Shell : )
 

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finally got to take my black shells out for a 2.5 mile stroll at lunch today. Very pleased, less a decent squeak from the right boot - maybe just needs some break-in or a coat of VSC to deal wit it. Overall, great boots that I'm looking forward to putting some miles on this fall!
Are these Bounty Hunters? I can't see the option for Shell cordovan on Baker's website.
 

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