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Cultue of the South

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by nightowl6261a, Apr 2, 2005.

  1. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    at the risk of offending my good friends from the south, I believe that sherman was a geneus and, to a lesser extent, a hero. he was one of the norther leaders who had very strong ties to the south, he had worked for years in the south, and would have been welcomed in the confederate military, he had not sought a career in the military, having spend a chunk of his life running railroads, but he felt a huge debt to the federal government and felt that the union had to be protected. he led a force of men that faced great obsticles and he was carful to avoid direct confrontation with the emeny as much as poissible, leadin the war to the destruction of the economic base of the enemy, and destroying the enemies moral suppoprt from home.

    sherman was the exact opposite of a man like lee (who I also have great respect for) who led his men on a losing quest for honor that cost huge numbers of lives. sherman saw war as something that needed to be won quickly and at the lowest possible cost to his force. he saw the war between the states as something that could destroy the federal government. he thought that the whole philosophy of the south, of the warrior gentleman, of the spartan ideal living off the economics of slave plantations needed to be brougth down to close the war, and he went to the source.

    again, my apologies to chris and the other people from the south, but sherman happens to be a big hero of mine (if my wife's anesthesia had lasted a little longer after giving birth to my son, he might be named tecumsah today)
     
  2. nightowl6261a

    nightowl6261a Senior member

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    globe, no apologies ness. i agree with you 100%, he was an incredible man who made some great war time decisions, and had he not been put into the predicament of war, probably would have died from alcholism, but the war ressurected a man with a brilliant plan, that, had it been anyone else, might have caused more pain upon a people than could have been endured. he was sympathetic to the cause, not in support of slavery and a way of life, but in the beliefs that men have different ways of living, yet he wanted a united country without division and hardships, which had the states been split into 2 countries, would have caused many hardships not only on the north but the south as well. he was a man with a plan, and delivered when all seemed doomed, remeber the south began the war winning until sherman's presence became overwhelming, he respected lee's decision to wave the white flag and surrender, and was partially responsible for the southern leaders not being imprisoned or facing charges by the US govt for treason against the country at the end of the war. he was a true gentleman, and desperately tried to save a country, although few southerners will attest to his goodwill, he really in the end saved the south from further destruction with some of the tactics he used to defeat them. i actually salute the man, not totally the ranks from which the blood was spilled, but then i am one of a few you will meet that believes the war did not need to happen, the south needed to move into a time past the issues and understand rights, which in a lot of places still has not changed, and may never.
     
  3. globetrotter

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    thanks, I thought I was putting myself in deep shit.
     
  4. Roy

    Roy Senior member

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    We do, but I doubt if you will know some of the Dutch admirals that once ruled the waves. Or which Dutch admiral destroyed the british fleet.

    We learn some of the basic stuff about the US, just as US high school kids learn some of the basic European history, like the Roman era, Napoleon, etc.
     
  5. nightowl6261a

    nightowl6261a Senior member

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    Roy, I suppose that is fair enough, I guess with the limited amount of US history in comparison to that of the European history, I thought maybe you all would learn more about us than we of you, especially with the quality of scholls probably being better there.
     
  6. StevenRocks

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    The main stigma I think that people have with the South and Southerners in general is that they feel somehow we are stupider, more racist, and culturally deprived.

    Granted, there are a lot of Southern people who live up to theses embarassments, but if you look around places like Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Colorado, just to name a few states at random, you'll find that it's not just a Southern problem. It's an American problem. "Bubba" lives in Boise and Alpena, too.
     
  7. Lindsay

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    Long time lurker, but I had to sign up officially when I read this post by Valmont:
    My God, man, are you just cranky today or are you always so rude, arrogant, condescending and mean?

    Seriously.  This is a joke thread.  Lighten up.  Your tripe implies that intellectual thoughts and religion are mutually exclusive??
     
  8. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Relax Lindsay. I would say that prejudices against intellectualism in many parts of the United States are reciprocated by those who generally live in on the coasts or in Europe but are in fact woefully ignorant about religion.

    I am a lapsed Catholic, but have tried to read as many of the great moral (and other) theologians as possible, as well as understanding religious history.

    The recent election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a very intelligent and thoughtful, man to the papacy has brought this ignorance to light. It seems to me that very few of his opponents have tried to understand the often very well articulated and consistent interpretation of certain church teachings, but instead have labeled him a reactionary. That he may be, but his body of theological work is nonetheless impeccably reasoned, and deserves more respect and understanding than I've seen/read of late.
     
  9. Carlo

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    Policy - Please wander through Atlanta saying that... wear that suit you are having made with the canvassed back but be sure to tell them to use Kevlar canvas for you.
     
  10. esquire.

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    I believe Grant's memoirs are considered the finest by a american president. Clinton's memoirs were like the man, too self indulgent.

    I think Sherman's philosophy behind his path of total destruction was similar to what we did to the Japanese in WWII. We justified dropping the two atomic bombs because we felt it would bring that war to a quicker end, saving lives on both sides. If Sherman hadn't taken such extreme measures, the Civil War would have lasted longer and more lives would have been lost in the ensuing years.
     
  11. Lindsay

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    OK, you're right. I get my back up when I hear these pseudo-intellectual idealogues regurgitating the bromide they heard from their 1st semester university flower-child professors who never had to live in the real world.

    But since some - what? - 90% of the world's population believes in some diety, I shouldn't take them so seriously. Thanks for the reality check.
     
  12. TheRookie

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    Supposedly Sherman only intended to burn locations of use to the military (rail yards, munitions depots, etc.) but the fire got out of hand and most of Atlanta burned down.

    True or not, I can't say.

    Ed. for sp.
     
  13. Carlo

    Carlo Senior member

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    Yeah, well... every time a yankee lights a match in Georgia everyone cringes.
     
  14. esquire.

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    edited as had nothing to say. just unsuccesfully experimenting with how to quote and reply to two different people in a single reply.
     
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    Visitors enter at their own risk, as you are now leaving the 21st century. We cannot take any responsibility for what will happen to you should you upset any inbred natives by actually expressing intellectual thoughts instead of being a  religious drone.
    My God, man, are you just cranky today or are you always so rude, arrogant, condescending and mean? Seriously. Â This is a joke thread. Â Lighten up. Â Your tripe implies that intellectual thoughts and religion are mutually exclusive??
    Yeah you said it, it's a joke thread so why can't we have some fun at the expense of the south?? You see the absurdity of my claim that all southerners are inbred rednecks but not the stupidness of that list be it a joke or not. Is this because I failed to attach a joke disclaimer or just the fact that joking is only fun as long as it doesn't affect you? Making fun of the fact that it's OK to beat up people if, god forbid, they should put an American flag on fire is just as tasteless as my comments about South consisting of a bunch of religious drones. This widespread hypocrisy is really such a drag. BTW I'm wasn't cranky or trying to be rude or condescending, unlike yourself (unless it's just PMS) but just replying in kind to a stupid joke.
     
  16. globetrotter

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    (Horace @ April 17 2005,03:43) Â Both he and Grant (Northern General and later US President) wrote memoirs of their lives. Â These memoirs were influential on American letters. Â
    I believe Grant's memoirs are considered the finest by a american president. Clinton's memoirs were like the man, too self indulgent. I think Sherman's philosophy behind his path of total destruction was similar to what we did to the Japanese in WWII. We justified dropping the two atomic bombs because we felt it would bring that war to a quicker end, saving lives on both sides. If Sherman hadn't taken such extreme measures, the Civil War would have lasted longer and more lives would have been lost in the ensuing years.
    esquire, as a matter of fact, sherman is considered by many to be the father of this whole school of thought, the father of bomber harris and the wwii stratigic bombing campaigns.
     
  17. globetrotter

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    sherman fuly intended to destroy the economy and the moral of the south, to de-house and starve as many civilians as it took to stop the war. he felt, and probably correctly, that the majority of the population of the white south was in favor of the war and suppported, morally economically the armies.
     
  18. johnapril

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    Compared with the Mongols, Sherman was a pussie cat. [​IMG]
     
  19. globetrotter

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    more importantly, sherman didn't allow his people to do anything that he felt wasn't specifically aimed at ending the war - rape, stealing for the sake of stealing, torture ect, were not tolerated. the mongols were a looting machine that just happened to win wars. sherman was a war winnng machine that used looting and the destruction of property as its primary weapon.
     
  20. PHV

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    (johnapril @ April 26 2005,09:47) Compared with the Mongols, Sherman was a pussie cat. [​IMG]
    more importantly, sherman didn't allow his people to do anything that he felt wasn't specifically aimed at ending the war - Â rape, stealing for the sake of stealing, torture ect, were not tolerated. the mongols were a looting machine that just happened to win wars. sherman was a war winnng machine that used looting and the destruction of property as its primary weapon.
    Ghengis Kahn did a lot more good than Sherman. He gets a bad wrap because frankly all people know about him is that he created the largest empire ever. What most don't know is that he encouraged culture, language, allowed different religions to flourish etc... no one is contending that he wasn't a war monger, but many of his other endeavours were crucial to the development of civilization from the pacific to the black sea.
     

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