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CT Sale - anyone else get a customs duty e-mail?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by new obsession, Jul 4, 2006.

  1. new obsession

    new obsession Senior Member

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    To my fellow Canadian (and American) forum colleagues:

    As one who makes numerous purchases online from foreign countries, why on earth should the store or manufacturer pay your duties and taxes for you?

    Normally when you order items from Britain and Europe the company removes the VAT (value added tax) from your order as you are not living in that country and the goods will not be used there. You are not being taxed twice.

    The reason why so many of us decide to purchase clothing on-line is either we cannot acquire the goods in person or it is less expensive online. By making this decision, it's up to the individual to be aware of any potential import duties or taxes that might have to be paid.

    If you are so concerned over import duties, stop making international purchases and instead support your domestic manufacturers and stores.

    The same must be said about ordering from the States. NAFTA does not cover sales taxes. That was not its intention. It was designed to remove barriers to trade by manufacturers and producers, not the end consumer.

    I don't whinge about paying the duties. I fully know They will most likely have to be paid. It's a pleasant surprise when I'm not charged.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not a protectionist and I wholly support the free movement of goods and I feel Canada is way over-taxed due to our outdated socialist medical system and other nanny-state programs (pogroms?) imposed on us by left-wing governments and the bleeding hearts.

    Take some personal responsibility for your purchases for crying out load! No one forced you to buy offshore.

    Regards,

    LBW


    Perhaps I am confused, but my original intention was not to complain about duties, simply to discuss an e-mail I had gotten. Nor have I seen anyone particularly asking for companies to pay their duties, or complaining about paying them any more than one might complain about paying taxes in general.

    This forum, however, is probably a good place to discuss the various taxes and tarriffs to which one might be subject based on a purchase from a given manufacturer, so that an educated decision can be made. But that's just me.
     


  2. LegB4Wicket

    LegB4Wicket Well-Known Member

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    [/quote]To me, as a Canadian purchaser, the bigger problem is with the courier companies that insist on collecting duties and taxes. The biggest problem that I've had has been with UPS, who insist in collecting all possible duties and taxes and then slap a big brokerage fee on top of already hefty shipping charges. For a Canadian, the best possible method of shipping from the US at least is by USPS services. If it is possible, I ask for Global Priority Mail. These USPS services have the advantage of (a) being quite reasonable to start with, (b) charging absolutely no brokerage fee, and (c) not collecting any taxes owing. Often, therefore, a package will sail through with no taxes collected. Much of the savings available from online sellers vanishes once UPS or other like-minded couriers get the shipping work.[/quote] Agreed 100 percent. UPS is the worst. Canada Post only charge a $5 handling fee on top of duties and taxes for anything shipped through national mail carriers like the USPS or the Royal Mail.
     


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    Perhaps I am confused, but my original intention was not to complain about duties, simply to discuss an e-mail I had gotten. Nor have I seen anyone particularly asking for companies to pay their duties, or complaining about paying them any more than one might complain about paying taxes in general.

    This forum, however, is probably a good place to discuss the various taxes and tarriffs to which one might be subject based on a purchase from a given manufacturer, so that an educated decision can be made. But that's just me.


    New Obsession. I apologise if caused you any offense. It was not my intention.

    I'm just sick-and-tired of people complaining about having to pay their fair share.
     


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    New Obsession. I apologise if caused you any offense. It was not my intention.

    I'm just sick-and-tired of people complaining about having to pay their fair share.


    No offense taken. I am not one to get overly concerned about such things. As for duties and taxes, believe me, I pay my fair share, and for that matter, I pay many other people's fair share. While I have very clear opinions of various taxes and their underlying structures in our society, in this instance I was simply wondering if anyone else had gotten what I deemed an interesting e-mail.
     


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    To me, as a Canadian purchaser, the bigger problem is with the courier companies that insist on collecting duties and taxes. The biggest problem that I've had has been with UPS, who insist in collecting all possible duties and taxes and then slap a big brokerage fee on top of already hefty shipping charges.
    This is exactly what happened to me.
    As one who makes numerous purchases online from foreign countries, why on earth should the store or manufacturer pay your duties and taxes for you? ... If you are so concerned over import duties, stop making international purchases and instead support your domestic manufacturers and stores. ... I don't whinge about paying the duties. I fully know They will most likely have to be paid. It's a pleasant surprise when I'm not charged. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a protectionist and I wholly support the free movement of goods and I feel Canada is way over-taxed due to our outdated socialist medical system and other nanny-state programs (pogroms?) imposed on us by left-wing governments and the bleeding hearts. Take some personal responsibility for your purchases for crying out load! No one forced you to buy offshore. Regards, LBW
    Hark at Mr. High-and-Fucking-Mighty. I'm not complaining about paying taxes; despite your tirade against Canadian "socialism" I'm happy to see my tax dollars spent on things like health care and social programs. What I was complaining about was that: (a) Nobody from Brooks Brothers pointed out to me that I was going to have to fork out some more money to get my shirt across the border, and if they had told me, I wouldn't have bothered. And, (b) The fact that UPS used it as an excuse to squeeze an extra $10 out of me to cover their "administration" costs.
     


  6. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    that is exactly why i never use ups for international shipping. or even domestic because of my dislike for them.

    i always use usps, cheaper , very dependable, and almost as fast.
    fedex for international.
    dhl domestic as well.
     


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    So I am the only person who got this customs duty e-mail? Hard to believe.

    FYI: I called customer service to tell them to ship the order regardless, and asked them why I had gotten the message. They said that they were not sure, but that it seems a large number or their shipments had been held up at customs recently.
    They could not tell me why there might be a distinction between two orders made within hours of each other, both with similar dollar amounts, where one order generated this e-mail and was held at the warehouse, until I confirmed I wanted whereas the other order went straight out.
     


  8. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Stylish Dinosaur

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    To my fellow Canadian (and American) forum colleagues:

    As one who makes numerous purchases online from foreign countries, why on earth should the store or manufacturer pay your duties and taxes for you?

    Normally when you order items from Britain and Europe the company removes the VAT (value added tax) from your order as you are not living in that country and the goods will not be used there. You are not being taxed twice.

    The reason why so many of us decide to purchase clothing on-line is either we cannot acquire the goods in person or it is less expensive online. By making this decision, it's up to the individual to be aware of any potential import duties or taxes that might have to be paid.

    If you are so concerned over import duties, stop making international purchases and instead support your domestic manufacturers and stores.

    The same must be said about ordering from the States. NAFTA does not cover sales taxes. That was not its intention. It was designed to remove barriers to trade by manufacturers and producers, not the end consumer.

    I don't whinge about paying the duties. I fully know They will most likely have to be paid. It's a pleasant surprise when I'm not charged.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not a protectionist and I wholly support the free movement of goods and I feel Canada is way over-taxed due to our outdated socialist medical system and other nanny-state programs (pogroms?) imposed on us by left-wing governments and the bleeding hearts.

    Take some personal responsibility for your purchases for crying out load! No one forced you to buy offshore.

    Regards,

    LBW

    Err, I thought the thread was, in essence, about the fact that CT has offered, as a sales inducement, to cover any duties. Whether or not one is going to pay duties, or whether the retailer is going to offer to "indemnify" you against any duties, seems a relevant consideration in making (or not making) a purchase. I don't see that it has anything to do with "whingeing". I don't gripe about paying my income tax - indeed, I am in favor of increasing tax rates for people in my general economic "class" - but that doesn't mean that I would turn my nose up in indignation if offered employment by a firm that would guarantee me a net income equal to my current gross income -- or one that for some reason I cannot currently fathom was legally able to pay me on a "tax-exempt" basis.
     


  9. Roger

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    Err, I thought the thread was, in essence, about the fact that CT has offered, as a sales inducement, to cover any duties.
    No. What CT is saying is that they will not send the goods unless you agree to reimburse them (once having received the goods) for the US customs duties that they will collect on your behalf. This is a boondoggle. You want shipments set up so that, in the unlikely event you are charged duties, you pay them yourself--because it is unlikely that they'll be levied. My prediction is that CT will realize the folly of doing what they propose and drop the scheme. Let's hope!
     


  10. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Stylish Dinosaur

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    No. What CT is saying is that they will not send the goods unless you agree to reimburse them (once having received the goods) for the US customs duties that they will collect on your behalf. This is a boondoggle. You want shipments set up so that, in the unlikely event you are charged duties, you pay them yourself--because it is unlikely that they'll be levied. My prediction is that CT will realize the folly of doing what they propose and drop the scheme. Let's hope!
    Ah, thanks for the clarification. Maybe I should learn to read a little more carefully before posting . . . [​IMG]
     


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    that is exactly why i never use ups for international shipping. or even domestic because of my dislike for them.

    i always use usps, cheaper , very dependable, and almost as fast.


    Agreed, except I've almost always found USPS Priority Mail to be faster than UPS ground. Down with Brown.
     


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    Down with Brown.

    Racist. [​IMG]
     


  13. Mr. Checks

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    To my fellow Canadian (and American) forum colleagues:

    As one who makes numerous purchases online from foreign countries, why on earth should the store or manufacturer pay your duties and taxes for you?

    Normally when you order items from Britain and Europe the company removes the VAT (value added tax) from your order as you are not living in that country and the goods will not be used there. You are not being taxed twice.

    The reason why so many of us decide to purchase clothing on-line is either we cannot acquire the goods in person or it is less expensive online. By making this decision, it's up to the individual to be aware of any potential import duties or taxes that might have to be paid.

    If you are so concerned over import duties, stop making international purchases and instead support your domestic manufacturers and stores.

    The same must be said about ordering from the States. NAFTA does not cover sales taxes. That was not its intention. It was designed to remove barriers to trade by manufacturers and producers, not the end consumer.

    I don't whinge about paying the duties. I fully know They will most likely have to be paid. It's a pleasant surprise when I'm not charged.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not a protectionist and I wholly support the free movement of goods and I feel Canada is way over-taxed due to our outdated socialist medical system and other nanny-state programs (pogroms?) imposed on us by left-wing governments and the bleeding hearts.

    Take some personal responsibility for your purchases for crying out load! No one forced you to buy offshore.

    Regards,

    LBW


    This gets my vote for Post of the Year!

    Apropos of nothing, "nanny-state" socialism is brought into the debate, but with a refreshing (and very Canadian) admonition to actually pay for those programs! You must have grown up confused: was Mom was a New Dem and Dad a Tory?

    FWIW, I agree with your implied criticism of Canada's burdensome health care taxes; it is far better in the States, where I only pay $13,000 (plus co-pays!) to insure a familly of three. Our superior system leaves only 43 million Americans uninsured, far more than Canada's 0.
     


  14. RJman

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    Agreed, except I've almost always found USPS Priority Mail to be faster than UPS ground. Down with Brown.
    If it's Brown, flush it down.
     


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    If it's Brown, flush it down.

    I thought brown was for something else..... what was that?
     


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