Crusted punk, style ?

[headtowall]

What's up with carrying around big jugs of iced tea?

 

[poly800rock]

Originally Posted by headtowall

What's up with carrying around big jugs of iced tea?

ahh sheeet. I forgot how wawa 1/2 gallons used to be 1.09. **** is amazing.

 

[vaclava krishna]

Originally Posted by headtowall

What's up with carrying around big jugs of iced tea?
I said, why do I always have to spell, it out for you?

 

[headtowall]

Originally Posted by vaclava krishna

I said, why do I always have to spell, it out for you?

I don't know, maybe because the story's always changing?

I like that this is almost a 90s hc thread.

But the tea thing is still strange to me. Crust in general wierds me out, but sometimes the girls are inexplicably hot.

 

[BrettChaotix]

If there's one thing Baltimore/DC had a lot of, it was crust punks! Even the punks had their own subcultures; the chaos/street punks, the crust punks, anarcho-punks and the peace punks and their bastard hybrids... chronoaug: it's just another punk sub-scene. The music style is heavy and fast - DooM and Misery ******* owned it in the 90's think something along the lines of the dude on the right:

I wouldn't call the Casualties crust, a Crust punk would never pay $125 for a pair of pants and would opt for dreads rather than taking care of a mowhawk - even back in the day the Casualties called themselves "chaos punks" not crusties.... a couple of times they tried to pay in Baltimore they got into fights with the crust punks and peace punks because they were assholes and trashed the venue.

 

[Garage/Surf Rock]

Crust punks, bike messengers - those scenes seem to be populated mostly by middle to upper middle class white kids who need to prove to the world just how hardcore they are and who are rebelling against their Republican parents.

Maybe I'm just being a hater.

 

[chronoaug]

Seriously, what the hell is with cool hippie-punk kids drinking pabst? I don't understand it. It tastes like asshole. How did that beere become so indie? Is it because it's cheap but doesn't have the redneck stigma of bud light or miller light?

Gainesville is completely overrun with bike messanger, vegan, extremely liberal for reasons they don't know, atheists or agnostics and speak about it all the time, and don't wear shoes if they don't have to. Some kids actually don't wear shoes to class. It's disgusting, and all you trads who think that open toed shoes and sandals are terrible... The kids here are unbelievably pretentious and i generally try to avoid them. Luckily i know a few people who possess the interesting qualities of that crowd but are actually cool, nice and genuine and not complete pretentious assholes.

 

[poly800rock]

Originally Posted by chronoaug

Seriously, what the hell is with cool hippie-punk kids drinking pabst? I don't understand it. It tastes like asshole. How did that beere become so indie? Is it because it's cheap but doesn't have the redneck stigma of bud light or miller light?

Gainesville is completely overrun with bike messanger, vegan, extremely liberal for reasons they don't know, atheists or agnostics and speak about it all the time, and don't wear shoes if they don't have to. Some kids actually don't wear shoes to class. It's disgusting, and all you trads who think that open toed shoes and sandals are terrible... The kids here are unbelievably pretentious and i generally try to avoid them. Luckily i know a few people who possess the interesting qualities of that crowd but are actually cool, nice and genuine and not complete pretentious assholes.

gainsville==emo/hardcore punx. not crust punx. you guys had all the no idea bands down in gainsville. crust is different

 

[SWB]

From what I can tell, Gainesville and Portland seem to be pretty similar socially. Not to get all philosophical, but Kierkegaard pretty much summed this whole thing up in his theory of the "criterionless choice":

If every choice you ever make is influenced by a previous choice ("I'm going to the crust show because... I previously decided I'm the kind of person who goes to crust shows"), then hypothetically there can only be one single choice that isn't a derivative of a previous one, and that of course is the first choice you ever make, so that leaves you fairly SOL.

Similarly, if you take that theory and apply it to Dostoevsky's critique of socialist rationalism in Notes From Underground (Essentially, the idea that people will never act rationally despite it being in their best interest, because in fact their best interest is dictated merely by their personal desire to exercise free will - i.e. be irrational solely for the sake of demonstrating that you are unbound by rationalism), you basically come up with the following:

In the absence of rationality and logic, everyone's decisions are primarily determined by their inescapable desire to forge and reinforce the concept of their "identity," which, naturally, is merely the cumulative snowballing of the first social choices they ever make. So if, say, you're an apathetic upper-middle class suburban teenager with no ambition or capacity for self-reflection who randomly ends up at a "crust" show, conventional human behavior patterns dictate that you will more than likely decide the following:

1. My friends think crust is cool, so:
2. Crust is cool, and of course:
3. I want to be cool, thus:
4. To achieve my goals, I must become crust.

Then, from that point on, every single decision you make will be done under the presumption that your identity is inextricably linked to the crust scene, and any decision that deviates from that mold is not merely confusing, but in fact the first step toward the deconstruction of your identity, and thus the perceived destruction of your very being. Which needless to say is never all that appealing.

So, while objectively speaking it seems completely ridiculous, irrational, and even disgusting to be crust, psychologically speaking it is no different than say, spending the majority of your spare money on overpriced, relatively obscure articles of clothing, then photographing yourself wearing them and exchanging those photos with an online community of people similarly affected.

None of that is meant to rationalize crust, of course, as that is obviously an incredibly severe lifestyle choice/mistake as opposed to merely a hobby, and clearly there just aren't many rational social, political, or philosophical explanations for being dirty all the time. But I do think it helps to keep that psychological process in mind when judging such sub-cultures, and I would wager it's that kind of thinking that keeps me relatively sane in a city full of such unrelenting dipshits.

Finally (I do realize how ridiculously long this is becoming), the reason I hold bike messengers in no higher esteem than crust punks is that bike messengers manage to take several perfectly good concepts (riding bicycles, eating healthy, recycling, etc.) and completely bastardize them into this bizarrely self-righteous, ego-crazed, holier-than-thou (and inherently hypocritical) form of social posturing that does nothing but degrade the integrity of the otherwise perfectly respectable ideals they began with.

Crust punks, on the other hand, just took a few inarguably terrible ideas (being dirty, butt flaps, facial tattoos, unemployment, etc.) and streamlined them into a comprehensive lifestyle of abject stupidity and failure. No harm done, really. So at the end of the day, I really can only take issue with the guy on the fixed-gear thousand dollar Bianchi with half a gram in his Chrome bag and the smug sense of social entitlement on his face. But maybe that's just me...

 

[SWB]

Also, it should be noted that any social group that can be cohesively summed up in a single half-assed, gravely oversimplified recollection of an undergraduate existentialism course is probably not terribly impressive or relevant as a subculture.

As for the style aspect, I wouldn't necessary rule out the butt flap as the next "poncho" of the high fashion world. It's a fairly unique idea, if you really think about it. Quite Derelicte.

 

[Goblin]

Originally Posted by SWB

From what I can tell, Gainesville and Portland seem to be pretty similar socially. Not to get all philosophical, but Kierkegaard pretty much summed this whole thing up in his theory of the "criterionless choice":

If every choice you ever make is influenced by a previous choice ("I'm going to the crust show because... I previously decided I'm the kind of person who goes to crust shows"), then hypothetically there can only be one single choice that isn't a derivative of a previous one, and that of course is the first choice you ever make, so that leaves you fairly SOL.

Similarly, if you take that theory and apply it to Dostoevsky's critique of socialist rationalism in Notes From Underground (Essentially, the idea that people will never act rationally despite it being in their best interest, because in fact their best interest is dictated merely by their personal desire to exercise free will - i.e. be irrational solely for the sake of demonstrating that you are unbound by rationalism), you basically come up with the following:

In the absence of rationality and logic, everyone's decisions are primarily determined by their inescapable desire to forge and reinforce the concept of their "identity," which, naturally, is merely the cumulative snowballing of the first social choices they ever make. So if, say, you're an apathetic upper-middle class suburban teenager with no ambition or capacity for self-reflection who randomly ends up at a "crust" show, conventional human behavior patterns dictate that you will more than likely decide the following:

1. My friends think crust is cool, so:
2. Crust is cool, and of course:
3. I want to be cool, thus:
4. To achieve my goals, I must become crust.

Then, from that point on, every single decision you make will be done under the presumption that your identity is inextricably linked to the crust scene, and any decision that deviates from that mold is not merely confusing, but in fact the first step toward the deconstruction of your identity, and thus the perceived destruction of your very being. Which needless to say is never all that appealing.

So, while objectively speaking it seems completely ridiculous, irrational, and even disgusting to be crust, psychologically speaking it is no different than say, spending the majority of your spare money on overpriced, relatively obscure articles of clothing, then photographing yourself wearing them and exchanging those photos with an online community of people similarly affected.

None of that is meant to rationalize crust, of course, as that is obviously an incredibly severe lifestyle choice/mistake as opposed to merely a hobby, and clearly there just aren't many rational social, political, or philosophical explanations for being dirty all the time. But I do think it helps to keep that psychological process in mind when judging such sub-cultures, and I would wager it's that kind of thinking that keeps me relatively sane in a city full of such unrelenting dipshits.

Finally (I do realize how ridiculously long this is becoming), the reason I hold bike messengers in no higher esteem than crust punks is that bike messengers manage to take several perfectly good concepts (riding bicycles, eating healthy, recycling, etc.) and completely bastardize them into this bizarrely self-righteous, ego-crazed, holier-than-thou (and inherently hypocritical) form of social posturing that does nothing but degrade the integrity of the otherwise perfectly respectable ideals they began with.

Crust punks, on the other hand, just took a few inarguably terrible ideas (being dirty, butt flaps, facial tattoos, unemployment, etc.) and streamlined them into a comprehensive lifestyle of abject stupidity and failure. No harm done, really. So at the end of the day, I really can only take issue with the guy on the fixed-gear thousand dollar Bianchi with half a gram in his Chrome bag and the smug sense of social entitlement on his face. But maybe that's just me...
This thread reminds me why I don't miss college at all, and consider 4chan an acceptable substitute.

 

[SWB]

Originally Posted by Goblin

This thread reminds me why I don't miss college at all, and consider 4chan an acceptable substitute.

As I said, that was all based upon the vague recollection of a single course; I don't miss it either. Whether or not that sounds like classic pseudo-philosophical college B.S. or not is of course up to you to decide, but nonetheless it does accurately describe my perspective on crust punks and bike messengers (a subject not far removed from said pseudo-philosophical college B.S.), so I don't think it was necessarily unwarranted. But whatever.

 

[Garage/Surf Rock]

Growing up, my friends and I talked about gutter punks. Is that the same thing as crust punks?

 

[poly800rock]

Originally Posted by Garage/Surf Rock

Growing up, my friends and I talked about gutter punks. Is that the same thing as crust punks?

depends where you grew up really

 

[shoreman1782]

ahh sheeet. I forgot how wawa 1/2 gallons used to be 1.09. **** is amazing.

Raspberry ftw.