Crockett & Jones MTO Central

[nishant]

they may just be a little too similar.

What can I do to convince you otherwise?
WTs and Captoes are about as different as they could be ... medallion adds more versatility to the gmto boot I think. I would say you need both.

 

[stephenaf2003]

I was trying to be your 12th man, but I already own these Allen Edmond Dalton Cordovans and I think they may just be a little too similar.

I’m with @nishant , these two boots are pretty freaking different. Not to mention, C&J brown shell.

Oh yeah, did I mention and they’re brown C&J shell.

 

[Jeff2D2]

Well you made me pull out my boots, and they actually are a lot more burgundy than brown. I remembered them being more brown. Back on the fence...

And I agree that cap toes and wingtips can be quite different. But in my opinion the implementation of the broguing and medallions in these two boots make them have a very similar feel. As someone that owns too many shoes/boots, I certainly appreciate the distinction. But for the average person I'm trying to impress, the difference is very subtle.

 

[stephenaf2003]

I hope I’m not out of line here; but for me I buy my shoes because I really like shoes. The fact that “some” people are impressed is just an occasional by product.

Honestly, most people don’t even notice. And, honestly it’s not why I bought them in the first place. But, to be truthful the way I buy shoes means I probably have a problem though

 

[Jeff2D2]

I hope I’m not out of line here; but for me I buy my shoes because I really like shoes. The fact that “some” people are impressed is just an occasional by product.

Honestly, most people don’t even notice. And, honestly it’s not why I bought them in the first place. But, to be truthful the way I buy shoes means I probably have a problem though

That was really just meant as a joke. To your point, very rarely do people notice someone's footwear. I absolutely buy shoes for myself, and the feeling I get when I look down at a nice pair of shoes. I only said that to make the point that outside of enthusiasts, the difference in design on these two boots could be considered subtle.

 

[AEShoeMan]

That was really just meant as a joke. To your point, very rarely do people notice someone's footwear. I absolutely buy shoes for myself, and the feeling I get when I look down at a nice pair of shoes. I only said that to make the point that outside of enthusiasts, the difference in design on these two boots could be considered subtle.

Haven't you guys heard... "dont you already have that one?" From the wife or significant other? The differences can be hard to notice for the non-shoe enthusiast (or junky!).

On a more serious note, any recommendations on how those Dundees fit? I have the C&J Marlows (made for RL) on the shortwing and PTB. I find those seem to run what feels to me like slightly longer and ever so narrower, compared to similar size in the Alden Barrie last (adjusted for sizing difference - e.g.10.5 Barrie vs 11 marlow), for example. I have been lurking here but cautious to take a gamble on a $900+ MTO. Any guidance from someone here with experience?

 

[nishant]

Haven't you guys heard... "dont you already have that one?" From the wife or significant other? The differences can be hard to notice for the non-shoe enthusiast (or junky!).

On a more serious note, any recommendations on how those Dundees fit? I have the C&J Marlows (made for RL) on the shortwing and PTB. I find those seem to run what feels to me like slightly longer and ever so narrower, compared to similar size in the Alden Barrie last (adjusted for sizing difference - e.g.10.5 Barrie vs 11 marlow), for example. I have been lurking here but cautious to take a gamble on a $900+ MTO. Any guidance from someone here with experience?

After looking into multiple online experiences, I believe the consensus is to go with your 325 size or Barrie minus 0.5 in UK size.

A similar Alden makeup in Color 8 is one of my absolute favorites.

 

[stephenaf2003]

Haven't you guys heard... "dont you already have that one?" From the wife or significant other? The differences can be hard to notice for the non-shoe enthusiast (or junky!).

On a more serious note, any recommendations on how those Dundees fit? I have the C&J Marlows (made for RL) on the shortwing and PTB. I find those seem to run what feels to me like slightly longer and ever so narrower, compared to similar size in the Alden Barrie last (adjusted for sizing difference - e.g.10.5 Barrie vs 11 marlow), for example. I have been lurking here but cautious to take a gamble on a $900+ MTO. Any guidance from someone here with experience?

After looking into multiple online experiences, I believe the consensus is to go with your 325 size or Barrie minus 0.5 in UK size.

A similar Alden makeup in Color 8 is one of my absolute favorites.

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That’s my experience is as well. I’m 9E Barrie, UK8.5 on 325.

 

[flylikeneagle]

Haven't you guys heard... "dont you already have that one?" From the wife or significant other? The differences can be hard to notice for the non-shoe enthusiast (or junky!).

On a more serious note, any recommendations on how those Dundees fit? I have the C&J Marlows (made for RL) on the shortwing and PTB. I find those seem to run what feels to me like slightly longer and ever so narrower, compared to similar size in the Alden Barrie last (adjusted for sizing difference - e.g.10.5 Barrie vs 11 marlow), for example. I have been lurking here but cautious to take a gamble on a $900+ MTO. Any guidance from someone here with experience?

As far as price is concerned, I feel £850 with VAT is as good as it will get. I believe C&J quoted the price for this GMTO before their annual price increase. I was tempted to get in on the dundee, but ended up getting the now stock whisky Harlech ( prefer lighter shell in general, plus I participated in the brown Lindrick SF GMTO which should be delivered in May). Harlechs are now £780 w/ VAT (vs £730 in Feb), so my guess is GMTO prices have also gone up £50ish. Given how long it takes to get these GMTOs going, and relatively lower demand for the Dundee vs Lindrick or Galway, it may be another year before the next serious GMTO gets going. By then these could be £950 with VAT. If anyone's on the fence, I think this a great time to get in. Just my 2 cents.

 

[caffed]

I hope I’m not out of line here; but for me I buy my shoes because I really like shoes. The fact that “some” people are impressed is just an occasional by product.

Honestly, most people don’t even notice. And, honestly it’s not why I bought them in the first place. But, to be truthful the way I buy shoes means I probably have a problem though

Yeah 99% of the time it’s just for me

 

[caffed]

Haven't you guys heard... "dont you already have that one?" From the wife or significant other? The differences can be hard to notice for the non-shoe enthusiast (or junky!).

On a more serious note, any recommendations on how those Dundees fit? I have the C&J Marlows (made for RL) on the shortwing and PTB. I find those seem to run what feels to me like slightly longer and ever so narrower, compared to similar size in the Alden Barrie last (adjusted for sizing difference - e.g.10.5 Barrie vs 11 marlow), for example. I have been lurking here but cautious to take a gamble on a $900+ MTO. Any guidance from someone here with experience?

The Dundee is on the 335 last which is the same as the Skye II. Having both I’d have to say that Dundee feels slightly more voluminous. I think they’re a tad more spacious vertically. I got mine in 9.5E and I probably could have gotten 9E. But I’d stick to your normal 325/335 last size jic.

 

[caffed]

That’s my experience is as well. I’m 9E Barrie, UK8.5 on 325.

I’ll second that. 10 Barrie, 9.5 on the 325/335.

 

[Mr Stevens]

Well you made me pull out my boots, and they actually are a lot more burgundy than brown. I remembered them being more brown. Back on the fence...

And I agree that cap toes and wingtips can be quite different. But in my opinion the implementation of the broguing and medallions in these two boots make them have a very similar feel. As someone that owns too many shoes/boots, I certainly appreciate the distinction. But for the average person I'm trying to impress, the difference is very subtle.

Don't get me wrong, AE makes fine shoes, and I have no regrets about the couple of pairs I've picked up from them, but I think you'll find that C&J is just a whole different class. If I were you (or in your shoes, at least) and didn't want both pairs of boots, I would pick up the Dundees and consider just selling the AEs here or on eBay. You won't regret it.

 

[matthewmttn]

I would love to get involved in an order of the Lindrick. That’s the only shoe I need to complete my collection.

 

[teaegg]

I would love to get involved in an order of the Lindrick. That’s the only shoe I need to complete my collection.

You can start another list. People will join.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...dUH1B4ltC1-0zYGBDazkNZ2JJPk/edit?usp=drivesdk