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Crockett & Jones for Ralph Lauren Cordovan (Marlow, Darlton, Gifford, Garran, Lindrick, McCallum, Rh

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NAMOR, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. Skelnik

    Skelnik Senior member

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    What store? I would assume the Ralph Lauren store in London, but their UK website doesn't list the Marlows.
     
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  2. othertravel

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    Their London flagship has it.
     
  3. Skelnik

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    Thanks for the tip!
     
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    Today they where £630 a pair including VAT!!
     
  6. Skelnik

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    Do you know if they are they labeled in US or UK sizing or both?
     
  7. othertravel

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    UK sizing.
     
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    I can throw a little light on the matter, but also muddy the waters. The sizes are indeed listed on the box as US, U.K. and European. However I am now a touch confused as today I bought a pair, I am a bang on U.K. Size 10 in the Pembroke and other C&J shoes on the 325 last but for these I had to go with the one labeled US10.5, UK 9.5. The US 11, UK 10 I tried on were too big, not just in Length too but in Width also. These are labeled as an E width, I think this means US E width not U.K. E. These even on the U.K. 9.5 are wider than my Pembroke UK10 E width.

    In conclusion my firm view is that the Marlow Wingtip from RL is definitely 0.5 UK size bigger than the U.K. size shown on the box, so a U.K. 10 RL Marlow designation is actually a U.K. Size 10.5 when compared to other U.K. C&J 325 lasted shoes. Also I believe that the marking of E width on the box corresponds to a U.K. F width, again comparing to the Pembroke etc. maybe they are a true US E fitting.

    I tried on the larger and smaller sizes in the shop and they all fell into this sizing model. Funnily enough my other C&J U.K. purchased 325 shoes on a size 10 UK with a designated E width are all just a touch tight so these I Marlows I have now are actually perfect with the little bit of extra width.

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  9. Skelnik

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    ^ Thank you for the information.

    I hope there is an adoption of some kind of international sizing in the near future. With the global interconnectivity of markets these days this seems glaringly antiquated.
     
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  10. zjpj83

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    Very helpful. Do they have an email, or does one have to call? Assume they will ship internationally?
     
  11. Vincent Chanal

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    Hi,

    I have got the same clue than you. I have bought my Marlow in France and it is a 8US E/ 7UK. Actually it size like a 7.5UK to me but roomy enough ( size usualy 8UK E with C&J 325 last).
    Compared to my Lindrick on 8UK E (C&J GMTO), it looks the same lenght but with a larger fit.

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    I posted the same conclusion in this thread many times in the past.
    RL shoes (every maker) sold outside USA are only and always US sized and in a wider width (US E for C&J, AE, Rancourt etc. or UK E for EG and G&G, both IIRC uk sized)

    I can confirm that C&J RL shoes in US E feels slightly wider than UK E counterpart.
    Talking of the cordovan models seems that US D is a UKD+, and the US E is a UKEx/F

    The problem is that the conversion isn't clear at all, even in lenght sizing
    I have the C&J Penny 314 last in UK 8.5E and the Marlow penny in US 9.5E,
    The marlow penny is slightly longer and wider at the heels, oddly feeling like a UK 8.75 EX/F
     
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