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Crockett & Jones for Ralph Lauren Cordovan (Marlow, Darlton, Gifford, Garran, Lindrick, McCallum, Rh

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NAMOR, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. zippyh

    zippyh Senior member

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    Frankenmunks. I originally ordered in the same size as my Lindricks/Marlowe wingtips. That was too big.
    I re-ordered in same size as Gianni. They fit snug but have already started to loosen up.
    Cordovan has that typical greasy feel. It's not dried out like some have noted with their Marlows. They also don't seem to be caked with an excess amount of brown polish like some past C&J cordovan pairs I have.

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  2. NAMOR

    NAMOR Senior member

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    those are great. I do wish they were either double monks or lace-ups. imagine that pair as a pair of brown shell lace-ups. mmmm
     
  3. chipshot

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    Sent mine back as the closure to get them to fit my low volume foot was too much to deal with. Also, the extra layer of cordovan leather over the top might be too warm for my climate. Too bad, they looked very cool in a casual manner. Interestingly they had a Neiman Marcus price sticker on them for $899. Also the 9.5 US equivalent was marked 9E And 43. .. Unlike my new Gianni's marked 8.5E 42.5 for the same US 9.5D. Weird, I have seen this before on some othe RL Marlow makeups.
     
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    If you want brown shell lace up, Paul Stuart have the Carmina ones on sale for 300 something, though not a captoe
     
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  6. kwhitelaw

    kwhitelaw Senior member

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    curious if this pair of chukkas I just got in are par for the course, condition wise? I'm not too concerned with the inconsistency of the toebox, but the edge dressing on the inner of each shoe is sloppy as all hell..

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    I'm used to the shortcomings of Alden, but never handled C&J..

    thanks in advance!
     
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  7. hoit1981

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    Wow that edge dressing is awful?! Looks like it was applied by Jackson Pollock! Tricky situation as I imagine these are all sold out now, with no idea if they will be continued. I would take to B Nelson to see if they could correct the wrongs.
     
  8. kwhitelaw

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    yeah they appear to be removed from RL's site.. sale price was good of course, would be willing to give RL a shot at replacing even if took awhile

    unfortunately not close to B Nelson, i'd have to ship. would hate to miss my window to return if nothing can be done to clean them up..

    time to ponder
     
  9. hoit1981

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    I would email those photos to Nick at Nelson. He would probably be able to tell you whether he could do anything - worth a shot and he is normally very good at replying. I'm very jealous - I would keep those for sure and either get them "repaired" or just wear the living hell out of them!
     
  10. jrd617

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    C&J Bradford (derby laceup)

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  11. BeSpiffington

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    Love those shoes. You can pay more for a similar pair of shell cordovan MTM shoes, but these are pretty nice for Goodyear welted.
     
  12. sevenfoldtieguy

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    The edge dressing issue is easily remedied. AE's chili dressing should do the trick. I'd be much more concerned about the inconsistencies in the shell as shown in your pics. Good luck.
     
  13. NAMOR

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    The edge dressing on my Gianni's and mccallums were both subpar. Not as bad as kwhites, but someone over in England ignored obvious shortcomings and I hope this this doesn't become a trend
     
  14. zippyh

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    MERRY25 takes an extra 25% of sale stuffs if anyone still wants to get their frankenmunk on.
    Looks like it's mostly larger sizes left though.

    My Marlowes from several years ago had kind of crappy edge dressing applied too. Easy enough to remedy though.
     
  15. kwhitelaw

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    talked with RL today about my bum mccallums. unfortunately, they are sold out, but told me to keep checking their website to see if a restock happens in the next month. if not, they'll return them.

    the sloppy over applying of the edge dressing isn't a deal breaker, but the right boot is wickedly bad, finish wise. streaks going in various directions, almost two tone.

    this pair has made me appreciate alden QC more I'll say [​IMG]
     
  16. PeterL

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    Have any had experience with RL for Crocket and jones restoration experience? I am thinking send back mine to size down half size and resole
     
  17. mdubs

    mdubs The Mayor of Aldensville

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    Peter, I believe that you should actually send it to Crockett and Jones directly. If in the US, they have a shop in NY.

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  18. kwhitelaw

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    hmmmmm I wonder if it would be worth sending my recently acquired McCallums to them before sending back to RL (assuming RL cannot obtain a suitable replacement in time for me to exchange per their policy window)
     
  19. kwhitelaw

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    I'm not sure if you're focusing (or thinking I'm focusing) on a lack of edge dressing, but my slightly larger concern is the over application of said dressing all over the inside of both shoes inner leather.. it's caked on black dye that a finger easily picks up on (but admittedly, it is on the inside so IF I had to deal with it, I would (sad at this $$ price I'd even contemplate that lol)

    I'd assume some renomat/acetone/nail polisher remover might remove the edge dressing, but as both shoes are already borderline two toned and splotchy, I'd prefer not to add to it lol
     
  20. sevenfoldtieguy

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    Yes. I misunderstood you. I see now what you are referring to. Sloppy indeed. Good luck.
     

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