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Crockett & Jones for Ralph Lauren Cordovan (Marlow, Darlton, Gifford, Garran, Lindrick, McCallum, Rh

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NAMOR, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. Alcibiades

    Alcibiades Senior member

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    I think RL corporate generally intends to exclude the cordovan shoes from the private sales, but due to website/technical bugs/negligence or incorrect/incomplete instruction to SA or just plain error, they tend get sold at sale prices anyway. I have been told by astute in store managers that cordovan was excluded from the sale only to find them on sale on the website. I've also heard of other SAs in other stores giving the discount on the cordovan seemingly unaware of any restriction while some SAs refuse.

    That said, I purchased my Marlows during a private sale when cordovan shoes were explicitly included in the sale a couple of years

    This same issue pops with J Crew and Alden shoes.
     
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    GIS ends tomm.
    If anybody is interested in anything on website at greater discount than 25% message me.
     
  3. gsgleason

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    I just received some Marlow wingtips from the 25% sale. Unfortunately they've already been packaged up and are on their way back. Here is why:

    On both shoes, if the heel is on a flat surface, the lowest part of the sole is about a quarter inch elevated. This creates a pivot point at the front of the heel piece that puts a lot of weight all at that point, which is not comfortable at all.

    I've had the odd shoe or two like this before which is a defect, but in this case it's exactly the same on BOTH shoes!

    Is this typical of C&J construction?
     
  4. hoit1981

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    From the website it would suggest so...

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  5. WiredandTired

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    Received my Marlow wingtips today as well. Experiencing the same as you gsgleason. The heel does indeed create a pivot point. I assume over time the heel will flatten and this will become less noticeable. I am on the fence about whether or not to return these, as I have a very small bit of heel slip on right, and a bit more on the left. As a comparison, AE 5 last fits me almost perfect after break in, but it is an overall narrower last. The Marlows off the bat are more comfortable, more room across the vamp, not excessively so. The length going TTS in my US size is just right, I do not think I could size down a half size without having issues in the toe box.

    I guess the ultimate question is, will the slight amount of heel slip disappear after break in? Any thoughts would be appreciated. The sizing on these things is really YMMV. Too bad the local RL store didn't have my sizes in stock to try on to compare.

    Thanks
     
  6. phototristan

    phototristan Senior member

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    I assume both these issues would get better as the sole breaks in over time. It's quite stiff at first but should get looser eventually.
     
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    Not sure i understand. Pictured from foreground to back: carmina, marlow, allen edmonds. The picture is a bad iPad picture but it would show that all the heels are pitched from front to back (the back part of the heel is elevated and does not contact the ground). Doesn't bother me, they all fit and feel great.

    Edited to add: the AE and marlows have heel taps so it is not that they are worn down. Also, the tap is not holding the shoe up, it is not contacting my desk (in this case). And the carminas have less than 5 days of walking outside on them so that heel is pristine as well.
     
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  8. ReppTiePrepster

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  9. david3558

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    I am a TTS 9D, and I went with a 8.5 in the Marlow Wingtips - They were a little snug (perhaps even very snug) but I'm hoping that as my foot sinks into the footbed and the leather lets out ever so slightly that I'll be in better shape...
     
  10. hoit1981

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    Think maybe you should have gone tts? I'm a 13D and trying these on (in a 13D) with very thin socks felt pretty much perfect. I'm pretty sure a 1/2 size down would have been too painful...
     
  11. WiredandTired

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    Marlow wingtips are much more substantial in materials than I thought. The cordovan leather is much stiffer out of the box than I expected, combined with the heavier double oak sole. For comparison I have wolverine 744 ltds, which were had more supple leather out of the box and a single oak butyl sole.

    I would like to see if the local Ralph Lauren would be a able to order a half size lower for me to try on in store, and do an exchange then and there, but I'm not even sure if they are allowed to do that.
     
  12. SuitedDx

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    I have a feeling that you would need to buy it and have it sent to the store as a separate transaction, or return and wait for them to confirm then ship the new size. I think there are a couple of SA on this thread that can confirm though.
     
  13. BeSpiffington

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    I think with the RL wingtips your noticing the quality of construction which is starting to approach the upper end of mass produced ready-made footwear. My admiration for these C&J shoes is growing each time I wear them. When it comes to sizing I got a great tip from fellow SF member "phorm". I ordered both tts and a half size down.
     
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    I am the same, and the 8.5 is snug, but not uncomfortably so.
     
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    I am a TTS 10D and Namor advised me to go to a 9.5D and it was tight at first but they are very comfortable and I could be in them for a majority of the day
     
  16. Thanks SF (a new me)

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    I always equate the discussion on Marlow wingtips as a passage of Spring (similar to the Masters golf tourney) due to RL sale dates....carry on gents
     
  17. phototristan

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    Is there a current sale code going on right now? If so, how can I get the sale price?
     
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    Thanks for the picture. I guess I should have taken a picture before shipping them back. I did order another pair yesterday since the sale was still on, so when I get them I will post results.

    Depending on how the shoe sits on the surface, a little elevation on the back of the heel is normal. This issue is that it's more pronounced than that. If I hold the heel down against the flat surface, the lowest part of the sole is over 1/4 inch elevated, creating much more of a pivot and a noticeable amount of pressure at the front of my heel.
     
  19. david3558

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    I just got my Marlows in the mail direct from RL - beauties I say. The double leather sole is pretty intense, heel slip for days thanks to the stiffness. I can't wait to get them broken in.

    I actually went 8.5 for these bad boys, that's half size down. Definitely smaller than the 8.5 Barrie overall but it fits more like a glove, I know once the foot settles into the footbed it'll feel a lot better. Heel is annoyingly wide just like the Barrie but not AS wide.
     
  20. phototristan

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    If you want a fit close to Barrie last, size up from Barrie. In fact my 8.5D Marlows are actually still a bit smaller than my 8D Barrie LWBs.
     

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