Crocket & Jones v.s. John Lobb paris please help

[jasonmarshalljazz]

the lobbs are 2 to 3 times more expensive than C&Js. is the a quality increase that is commensurate with the price increase? please explain. i am relatively new to the high end shoe market and i want to have my facts straight before i commit thousands of dollars in revamping my shoe wardrobe. i really like the fit of C&J 341 last but if the JL are 2 or 3 times better across the board then i will just save my pennies and go that route more slowly. please advise.

 

[RJman]

No. Above the price and quality of a pair of Allen Edmonds, all increases in quality are incremental.

 

[Pengranger]

Originally Posted by jasonmarshalljazz

the lobbs are 2 to 3 times more expensive than C&Js. is the a quality increase that is commensurate with the price increase? please explain. i am relatively new to the high end shoe market and i want to have my facts straight before i commit thousands of dollars in revamping my shoe wardrobe. i really like the fit of C&J 341 last but if the JL are 2 or 3 times better across the board then i will just save my pennies and go that route more slowly. please advise.

I'm not sure which lines you are referring to. C&J have their Benchgrade and Handgrade ranges. JLP has Classic and Prestige. If you are comparing C&J Handgrade to JLP Classic, I don't think there is much difference and I would go for the C&J.

IMHO, I believe EG's are better quality than JLP Classic. However, if I had the choice I would go for Gaziano and Girling above either of them - their craftsmanship and attention to detail is outstanding.

This is my experience from owning JLP Classic and Prestige, EG, C&J, G&G, Tricker's and Cheaney.

 

[Steven Aver]

I'm not sure which lines you are referring to. C&J have their Benchgrade and Handgrade ranges. JLP has Classic and Prestige. If you are comparing C&J Handgrade to JLP Classic, I don't think there is much difference and I would go for the C&J.
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The leather quality on a JL Classis is superior to that of the C&J Handgrade IMO.

 

[jasonmarshalljazz]

thanx for all of the info. so what's the practical difference between C&J handgrade and the lower line? can the handgrades be made on the 341 last or not?. what is the difference between JL classic and prestige and does JL have a last similar to the C&J 341?

 

[jmix1]

^ The handgrades can be made on the 341 (or any other last) through C&Js MTO program, but the prices are closer to JL Classics. If the 341 fits you best, MTO may be the way to go.

 

[teddieriley]

price and quality for high end shoes are not proportionally linear. you are not getting a 2 or 3 times better shoes for 2 or 3 times the price.

 

[meauounji]

Actually I've always wondered what the difference between $500 shoes and $1000+ shoes myself. As long as we're not talking about funky "designer" shoes, what kind of practical differences are there anyway?

 

[Gherkins]

The differences ae not about practicability. I'd say on this level it is all about personaly style preferences and fit. I don't believe in one of these shoes being "better" than the other one.

 

[Amar ezzahi]

Originally Posted by jasonmarshalljazz

thanx for all of the info. so what's the practical difference between C&J handgrade and the lower line? can the handgrades be made on the 341 last or not?. what is the difference between JL classic and prestige and does JL have a last similar to the C&J 341?

The nearest last to 341 should be the 8000 last.

As for the difference Classic/prestige at Lobb, the leather is better (approaching the quality of the bespoke leather) and much attention is paid to the finishing.

 

[jasonmarshalljazz]

where (specifically) would i find a JL oxford made on the 8000 last?

 

[Cornellian]

I don't wear either brand, but they are both high-quality shoes.

Decide which one fits better and is more comfortable. Buy that one.

 

[jasonmarshalljazz]

Originally Posted by Cornellian

I don't wear either brand, but they are both high-quality shoes.


why not?