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critique my resume for m.consulting and ibanking!

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by joelmthw, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. joelmthw

    joelmthw Senior member

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    What am I misunderstanding here:

    You just started at Samsung 2 weeks ago, you hope to work there until december, helped produce a mechanism for defect reduction and follow this by saying the mechanism is still in use today. So, what, for 2 weeks?

    If I was reading, I would toss your resume based on that.

    For ib you should talk more about your math specifially, not collaboration and convincing.

    I agree that it does look like a tarted up engineering resume. It doesn't really say mc or ib to me.


    thats the scope of my project, im just prepping my resume for december/spring recruiting. i dont plan on using this version until then. so at that time, that statement will be true. any other direction for my resume besides talking about math for ib? thanks guys
     
  2. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    If all there was to life was standardized testing, I would be a millionaire. <3 SATs.

    If only people told me that this stuff would matter after college. I was in to the school that I wanted, so I didn't put out much effort on the SAT or ACT, and got mediocre results.
     
  3. yerfdog

    yerfdog Senior member

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    Unless it's some little company I've never heard of, it's Jacobs Technology, not Jacob's Technology.
     
  4. Rambo

    Rambo Senior member

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    Unless it's some little company I've never heard of, it's Jacobs Technology, not Jacob's Technology.
    I guess he got tired of just making diamond necklaces and watches and wants to branch out into diamond encrusted TV's and Blu-Ray players.
     
  5. Don Carlos

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    For what it's worth: lose the "Proficient in Microsoft Office Suite/Windows/OSX/etc" line. Who isn't proficient in Office and various operating systems? Most people use these things on a daily basis, and proficiency with them is probably a given. You might as well list proficiency in "the internet" (which, and I kid you not, I have seen on a resume more than once). Now, if you're proficient in technologies or systems or software that are outside the norm, that's the kind of stuff you should list. If you know any programming languages, for example, list that kind of stuff (but only if you're applying for tech jobs, or IT consulting). If you are familiar with commonly used consumer ratings or research software, or financial platforms, list that kind of stuff. The stuff you should be listing is the stuff that is required for the job to which you're applying, and that not every candidate will be proficient in. That sort of thing will help you. The hiring manager can read that on your resume and think, "This job involves daily use of X, and 99% of people need extensive training just to learn X, but look, this guy knows it already. Nice. Cuts down considerably on training costs and time. This guy can hit the ground running."
     
  6. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ^^^ Would it be worthwhile for him to say he is Excel proficient?
     
  7. otc

    otc Senior member

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    Doesn't look too good for those careers. GPA is low-ish (3.3) and zero financial services/consulting experience previously. These places mostly hire from Ivies/MIT/Stanford/Chicago/etc., and even then half the applicants have 4.0s.
    You guys know this guy isn't graduating until 2012 right? He is trying to get that experience now. Hell...summer after my first year, I worked at a dealership detailing cars--this guy worked at fucking nasa (well it says...sep-dec...when does this kid go to school?).
    For what it's worth: lose the "Proficient in Microsoft Office Suite/Windows/OSX/etc" line. Who isn't proficient in Office and various operating systems?
    I thought the generally accepted reason for putting MS office on the resume is so that HR drones and automated filtering systems don't exclude you. If your resume is going into big systems, that has to be almost a keyword section (reminds me of the guy I heard about who submitted a resume to microsoft and filled the margins with keywords in white fonts so he always ended up on top of their search queries). Also, +1 to 'foo on putting excel. Even if you don't bother with the rest, making it clear that you *really* know how to use excel can be important. A lot of people just use it as a glorified tabular data entry and charting program. EDIT: as a note, that line on my resume reads "Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Windows, Apple, UNIX, STATA, SAS, SQL, C/C++, Java, Python, HTML, Photoshop" I may have tweaked it a bit for various companies but that is the basic thing. This thread has reminded me that I have not updated my resume for real since graduating so I probably should...On AB's advice, I will definitely be adding things like factset/capitaliq/bloomberg and obviously the line will be tailored to the job...i.e. no sense in listing STATA if the place only uses SAS (not to mention I have basically forgotten everything about stata)
     
  8. otc

    otc Senior member

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    Also, take off the high school and replace it with relavent coursework (change this per job...don't list a bunch of engineering courses for an ibank)

    I had my high school on there until I had enough other stuff to fill the page...you seem to have enough other stuff (and you list absolutely nothing of interest about your high school...only worth keeping if you want to show off things like being a salutatorian or some shit)
    if all you have to say is that you graduated HS, the fact that you are in college is enough
     
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    Most people aren't 'proficient' in Excel. Sure, they can do basic tasks and even link a few simple formulas together, but if you ask them to do more complicated tasks, such as logic, or linking data tables from different workbooks, they fail miserably. Most people can't do what they think they can do; especially when it comes to computers.
     
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    ^^^ Would it be worthwhile for him to say he is Excel proficient?

    Bad idea unless you're an excel rockstar, and judging by the resume I don't think he is. Analysts are in Excel for many, many hours each day, and they know the program backwards and forwards. By including that on your resume you open yourself to unnecessary scrutiny that could jeopardize your chances of getting hired.

    Look at mergersandinquisitions.com for resume tips and templates. IB resumes should be short and concise. Make sure your formatting (spacing between paragraphs, margins, font, etc..) is consistent throughout your resume and cover letter as attention to detail is one of the most important things they look for in analysts.
     
  12. Don Carlos

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    Hey AB, how accurate/helpful is http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/ ?
    Seems fairly accurate and honest. I'm not sure exactly what the guy is trying to sell; it looks like prep guides and so forth. But the commentary and advice is pretty good.
    Most people aren't 'proficient' in Excel. Sure, they can do basic tasks and even link a few simple formulas together, but if you ask them to do more complicated tasks, such as logic, or linking data tables from different workbooks, they fail miserably. Most people can't do what they think they can do; especially when it comes to computers.
    +20 This is why I hate weasel words and phrases like "proficient" or "working knowledge." The first basically means anything from being able to crunch basic formulas up to doing hardcore ninja work, and hence, it's very vague. The second basically reads as "I once installed this program; I may or may not have used it." "Working knowledge" is something someone puts on his resume just to throw a buzzword on there -- but which gives him enough distance to not seem like he's lying when called out on it. I took four years of French in high school and basically remember nothing of it. I would never put "working knowledge" of French on my resume, because it just invites all sorts of questions about the extent of the "working" part. And I'd never put "proficient," because someone might surprise me and start busting out my interview in French.
     
  13. joelmthw

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    i actually like M&amp;I, been reading em for a while, ive gained a lot of knowledge reading their articles.
    so how should i phrase my excel skills? id say im above the average user but not a rockstar/ninja, meaning i know how to use pivot tables and linking data
     
  14. untilted

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    aim for regional banks esp middle market.

    this resume aint getting u bulge brackets unless you get hooked up.

    try like raymond james, harris williams, bt&t, suntrust, mccoll partners, and other mid atlantic or southeast smaller banks. even for those you better network ur ass off. use alum database, network like a crazy mofo.
     
  15. otc

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    I took four years of French in high school and basically remember nothing of it. I would never put "working knowledge" of French on my resume, because it just invites all sorts of questions about the extent of the "working" part. And I'd never put "proficient," because someone might surprise me and start busting out my interview in French.

    I have "proficient" spanish and norwegian on my resume from when I graduated. I decided on "proficient" because I had done enough of those languages to pass my school's proficiency exam (graduation requirement in at least one language).

    They are definitely coming off in the future if I don't find some way to keep up with them (they are mostly gone anyways) as I can't really fall back on the "I passed a proficiency exam back in college" excuse....maybe I just need to find another BS term to describe them.
     
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    Your odds are slim to zero. If you're class of 2012, you'll be doing internship recruiting in Spring 2011 which probably will not look great if the economy stays this tepid. Plus, the location of your school is a huge disadvantage because no one likes to go down South for recruiting with the exception of Duke. Just do a F500 engineering position. About 100x easier to get, pay isn't that shabby, especially if you're living in places where they typically headquarter and you'll live a pretty decent life. Not trying to get you down or anything, I think your resume is exceptional. Just realize that MC and IB are pretty superficial in terms recruiting.
     
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    Tips on networking?

    Besides getting cards and such.
     
  19. joelmthw

    joelmthw Senior member

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    Your odds are slim to zero. If you're class of 2012, you'll be doing internship recruiting in Spring 2011 which probably will not look great if the economy stays this tepid. Plus, the location of your school is a huge disadvantage because no one likes to go down South for recruiting with the exception of Duke.

    Just do a F500 engineering position. About 100x easier to get, pay isn't that shabby, especially if you're living in places where they typically headquarter and you'll live a pretty decent life.

    Not trying to get you down or anything, I think your resume is exceptional. Just realize that MC and IB are pretty superficial in terms recruiting.


    i dont like engineering as much as i thought i would. thats why im trying to move away from engineering.

    Tips on networking?

    Besides getting cards and such.


    mergersandinquisitions.com has a good guide on networking like a ninja
     
  20. whoopee

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    recruiting season is upon us at school and im trying to aim for summer 2011 internships in management consulting (mbb, deloitte) and investment banking. i know my chances are pretty slim to none at mbb, but ill take my chances. since there are a ton of professionals on sf, i wanted to reach out to you guys for some feedback on my resume. all criticism is welcome. also note: i have an engineering background so i tried to give it a business spin

    easy to view resume: http://www.razume.com/documents/16683


    First, I do like how you've written the resume. Clean, little bullshit, very results-oriented.

    However, given your GPA and lack of non-engineering internships, realistically, you probably won't get an internship at a top 3 strategy firm. Not to despair. There are three things you can do in the meantime to set yourself up for success in fall 2011 for full-time positions:

    1) Focus on getting something outside the engineering space this summer. Could be at a bank or a Fortune 500 company - anything that demonstrates you're not an engineer submitting this application for God knows what reason. Something in strategy or business development works. Getting an investment banking position also demonstrates some pedigree, even though it isn't superficially related to strategy consulting.

    2) Network aggressively. Family and friends and friends of friends is one way. Another is attending any campus events held by MBB and talking with people to leave an impression in their minds. Even submitting a very tailored cover letter that cites a person or two can help with the right resume reviewer (I actually have a column in my resume assessment sheet where I rate people on "interest in [my firm]").

    3) Work on boosting those grades. Not horrible for engineering, but I would try to get at least 0.1 or 0.2 higher on your overall GPA. I personally would mix in some easy courses to help yourself out. Especially if you go into management consulting, no one will care if you took advanced level engineering courses or something wildly easy.

    If you manage those three, you'll have a shot at gettting your resume through. And then it's up to you to nail the cases and interviews.
     

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