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Yes. Although that is largely the dyes I think. Some pieces I would say are more reasonably priced than Visvim.
Their hoodies are more expensive than Visvim, but there doesn't seem to be an increase in price for buying in USD.
 

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Their hoodies are more expensive than Visvim, but there doesn't seem to be an increase in price for buying in USD.
Not all of them are? Unless I am mistaken? If you look at the Akane compared with the Kakishibu, there is a big difference. But what would Vis charge for the latter? Not sure what effort goes into them to make them cost that much.

The Akane is 43k inc tax, the recent pink Vis hoodie was 66k.

I do agree that there is no mark up massively for the US retail. That's I guess the main thing. On Tempo's site, they are around the $430 mark.
 

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Oh yeah you're right, I just assumed the hoodies would be similar prices to the sweats.
 

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The huge difference being that Cottle actually make the clothes they sell. Visvim outsources all production.
To me this is the huge difference, and why I feel like Cottle deserves it's price. Visvim is just ridiculous.

And honestly I have not been that impressed with the quality of the visvim pieces I own, especially at their price point. The designs can be great, but materials/construction not so much. Cottle on the otherhand goes above and beyond on those metrics.

IMO (and sadly) it seems like with current Visvim you're paying mostly for the name and hype, like any other major fashion brand.
 

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I can see that with some pieces. Having bought some Filmelange pieces recently, I wonder sometimes where the additional coat from Vis is coming from.

@BandannAlmanac - Are any of the Cottle hoodies the equivalent of dorozome? I ask as I am believe that is only done in one part of Japan so would have to be outsourced. Unless I am wrong.
 

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Don’t sleep on the giant silk neppy grandpa cardigan
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re: hoodie, i'm 186cm/80kg and the 4 was way too massive for my taste. even the 3 is very generous, and (imo) too long in the sleeves particularly.
I can see that with some pieces. Having bought some Filmelange pieces recently, I wonder sometimes where the additional coat from Vis is coming from.

@BandannAlmanac - Are any of the Cottle hoodies the equivalent of dorozome? I ask as I am believe that is only done in one part of Japan so would have to be outsourced. Unless I am wrong.
Their dyeing is outsourced (like pretty much everyone) since they are not a dyeing company. They do outsource to master class dye shops locally in Okayama. Dorozome is only done in Amami Oshima in southern Japan (almost Okinawa still apart of Kagoshia prefecture). Cottle doesn't do dorozome, but I think the closest equivalent of it is kakishibu only in terms of color. Dorozome is mostly a dye that is sourced from the "tetchi" tree and the actual mud part is the mordant stage of the dye.
 
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To me this is the huge difference, and why I feel like Cottle deserves it's price. Visvim is just ridiculous.

And honestly I have not been that impressed with the quality of the visvim pieces I own, especially at their price point. The designs can be great, but materials/construction not so much. Cottle on the otherhand goes above and beyond on those metrics.

IMO (and sadly) it seems like with current Visvim you're paying mostly for the name and hype, like any other major fashion brand.
I mean Nakamura worked at Burton so what do you expect! Look at all the hype beast brands that hatched from that company? They are all brand image... very little to do with actual hands-on craftsmanship.
 

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The huge difference being that Cottle actually make the clothes they sell. Visvim outsources all production.
no they don't, Visvim does not outsource ALL production. Cubism, the holding company of Visvim actually produces much of their wares (some of it is actually produced in Nakamuras house). All of the custom fabrics that visvim uses are obviously outsourced to highly regarded craftsmen, that's part of the visvim ethos, utilizing age old processes and techniques but applying it to modern cut and styled clothing allows these companies to remain in business.

cottle makes beautiful clothes with outstanding quality. and if I were to compare the two, Cottle would be like Loro Piana and Visvim would be more like Gucci. Both make quality stuff, but obviously one is more fashion/trend oriented.
 
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I mean Nakamura worked at Burton so what do you expect! Look at all the hype beast brands that hatched from that company? They are all brand image... very little to do with actual hands-on craftsmanship.
what nakamura gleaned from burton was how to use goretex and other technical fabrics and probably some marketing knowlege. comparing visvim with something like supreme is laughable.
 

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