I saw a pair of C & J shoes over the weekend in Newton. They were made for Barney's and aren't handgrades (no channelled sole). I honestly cannot tell if they are calfskin or cordovan. Obviously, the type of creasing that results after wearing is the dead giveaway, but these were brand new shoes. The inside said "Carlisle" and said "leather upper/leather insole." Now, the statement "leather upper" might suggest that they aren't shell cordovan. However, if the upper is calfskin, then this is really awful leather -- plasticy looking. Anyone know whether the CJ "Carlisle" model for Barney's is a calf or shell shoe? Does CJ benchgrade really use such plasticy looking calfskin? (BTW, the color of the shoe is approximately Horween's Color # 8).