Cool vs Stylish

[yorkshire pud]

Independent thought and aloofness from large, powerful groups (whether the right or left) has to be a criterion for cool, I think.

I think that can be true, if your looking at individuals

creativity tends to be a Liberal trait

However

I suspect that it works both ways, it can take a lot of money and organisation to produce something truly original and cool like movies/music/publishing

Organisation and money are typically Conservative traits

I also think some things unpredictably become cool by accident

Levis/workwear/haircuts etc

 

[ValidusLA]

Because he wasn't cool (as Dirty Harry?) or because he wasn't conservative (when he was talking to a chair?)

True, though, that none of them were cool because they were conservative (maybe Clint excepted, though that was more his characters than his personal politics.)

No, because Gibson is an anti-semite, Nugent is a racist, and Kid Rock just sucks.

 

[double00]

I would hazard to guess a large majority of conservatives who are considered cool are silent in their conservatism.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I would hazard to guess a large majority of conservatives who are considered cool are silent in their conservatism.

Clint Eastwood isn’t. He’s but one example.

Haha…just read the preceding posts. Actually Clint was and still is a conservative. He’s not right wing by any means but is a conservative. Was elected mayor of Carmel as a republican, which knowing Carmel, is saying something.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

Yes it does and I think it's quite far from jeans. For example, this is what my dad (b. 1932) would wear on a casual day, whereas he would only wear jeans when on holiday at a beach town or some such. Think about the many degrees of separation between grey wool pressed and cuffed trousers and jeans: in between we have cords, moleskins, chinos, etc. Also, fwiw, when I wear wool trousers and a knit I almost always avoid a shirt, precisely to avoid that old man connotation (while remaining in CM by my definition).

I suppose there are other degrees of separation, but most of them aren't to my taste. I generally end up wearing jeans for something very casual, wool of varying weights and styles for most other things, and linen or light cotton only in the summer months (and begrudgingly). They may be more noticeable, I'll grant you.

The no shirt thing is interesting. Do you suppose your dad had much to do with your impression of the crewneck + shirt combo as being old manish?

Glad you brought this up as I was meaning to start a thread about it, and might still. I'm inclined to think that elegant people move from formal to casual by sliding on a single scale. But there are others (I think @dieworkwear and Foo belong to this school) who think that, roughly, CM and streetwear are just different registers. I find the latter approach runs the risk of making one look a bit costumey in both registers. Whereas I think there is street-appropriate CM and smart streetwear.

But maybe, come to think of it, they don't disagree with that last point, and so the disagreement may be more about whether a good dresser dresses in multiple registers or only one. I'm still leaning towards the single register option (though of course one may have phases, just like artists have 'a blue period', say; but good artists rarely switch between cubism and impressionism within the same week. I think something similar holds for dressing)

I agree with this. My take is that predictability is, to some extent, a necessity for good style. Someone who knows themselves and what they like, and isn't overly fond of caring what other people think, will end up looking better if they stick to their style and wear options that express their aesthetic on whatever level they choose for the day (casual or formal).

 

[radicaldog]

The no shirt thing is interesting. Do you suppose your dad had much to do with your impression of the crewneck + shirt combo as being old manish?

Probably, from a causal point of view. But from a justificatory point of view one need only look around. Though, admittedly, one does see these estate agent types wearing slim dark wool trousers, tan derbies, a spread collar shirt and a thin, tight navy crewneck--I grant you that's not geriatric because of fit and colours, but it is a terrible look, reeking of the grubbiest aspects of the business world.

 

[Hellbent]

Though, admittedly, one does see these estate agent types wearing slim dark wool trousers, tan derbies, a spread collar shirt and a thin, tight navy crewneck--I grant you that's not geriatric because of fit and colours, but it is a terrible look, reeking of the grubbiest aspects of the business world.

That’s me! Minus the colour and model of the shoes, and the thinness and tightness of the navy crewneck

EDIT: Yea and the pants. I don‘t really wear slim trousers.

 

[radicaldog]

That’s me! Minus the colour and model of the shoes, and the thinness and tightness of the navy crewneck

Drop the shirt and, to my eye, you'll move from estate agent to what I think of a kind of 1990s Japanese architect style, or even Giorgio Armani (the person not the brand).

 

[yorkshire pud]

Drop the shirt and, to my eye, you'll move from estate agent to what I think of a kind of 1990s Japanese architect style, or even Giorgio Armani (the person not the brand).

Or Paul Weller ?? ?

 

[Hellbent]

Drop the shirt and, to my eye, you'll move from estate agent to what I think of a kind of 1990s Japanese architect style, or even Giorgio Armani (the person not the brand).

Thanks for the tip. Well I sometimes do, but I really prefer the shirt I actually wear a v-neck more often.

and when I wear a crewneck the collars goes on top

It‘s a look I have had for many many years. One i feel comfortable with

not me in the photos, but cut and style of the clothes is pretty spot on.

 

[radicaldog]

Thanks for the tip. Well I sometimes do, but I really prefer the shirt I actually wear a v-neck more often.
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and when I wear a crewneck the collars goes on top

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It‘s a look I have had for many many years. One i feel comfortable with

not me in the photos, but cut and style of the clothes is pretty spot on.

Rubato? I do like their stuff but note that they're not using tailored trousers in those shots.

Whereas these looks (Berg & Berg) look pretty period to me, despite the very young age of the models:

 

[Hellbent]

Rubato? I do like their stuff but note that they're not using tailored trousers in those shots.

Whereas these looks (Berg & Berg) look pretty period to me, despite the very young age of the models:

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Indeed. Yes I‘m in gray tailored flannel or corduroy most of the time. Berg and Berg is great, I like what they are doing a lot. Jumper Needs to be a bit thicker and more substantial than in the first picture though, imho.
Also wearing a softer collar, oxford shirt or tennis shirt, makes a pretty big difference vs the suit style collar you might have referred to in the original post.

 

[comrade]

Thanks for the tip. Well I sometimes do, but I really prefer the shirt I actually wear a v-neck more often.
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and when I wear a crewneck the collars goes on top

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It‘s a look I have had for many many years. One i feel comfortable with

not me in the photos, but cut and style of the clothes is pretty spot on.

Sweater worn very short. Belt showing. It that a style decision or something
about your build?

 

[Hellbent]

Sweater worn very short. Belt showing. It that a style decision or something
about your build?

A style decision made by Rubato on the shoot I imagine. Not me on the photos. Pictures more meant to illustrate the type of look (shirt, jumper and silhouette) I like to wear. I don‘t typically wear the belt like that, but sometimes I think it can look nice.

 

[yorkshire pud]

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I still think Wellers style is "cooler", the collar shots are a bit Ralph Lauren look book for me, nice enough for the Cricket club but your not showing up to a gig in them!!!