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Consider the Lobster

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by mordecai, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    I'll sprinkle some science in here:

     
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    mordecai Senior member

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    It isn't different from eating chickens or fish or whatever. They just happen to need killing at the last moment, so we are forced to do it ourselves. Maybe we are so removed from our food that it seems morally difficult, but not to me.

    Not my point.
     
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    Not my point.

    What is?
     
  4. latkaguy

    latkaguy Well-Known Member

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    I was curious about people's thoughts on boiling lobsters. I've heard many arguments about why it is not as inhumane as boiling, say, a rabbit alive, but I still have moral hangups that prevent me from doing it

    Boiling a rabbit alive is inhumaine?
     
  5. mordecai

    mordecai Senior member

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    What is?
    What I responded to your comment on the last page with. Christ.
    Boiling a rabbit alive is inhumaine?
    Yes. Christ, do people do this?
     
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    Nil Senior member

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    Yes, that's the point. Would you prefer that a cow be cooked alive if somebody discovered that the flavor was improved?

    Oysters are like plants. A lot of vegetarians eat them.


    A lot of self proclaimed vegetarians eat fish, but that doesn't make fish not animals. Oysters are still living creatures no matter what anyone else says.
     
  7. mordecai

    mordecai Senior member

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    A lot of self proclaimed vegetarians eat fish, but that doesn't make fish not animals. Oysters are still living creatures no matter what anyone else says.
    invertebrates, and vertebrates are very different, obviously.
     
  8. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yeah, I feel a lot worse eating tasty lamb than I do eating lobster. I've tried to cut back on my beef, lamb, and pork consumption since they're higher organisms than poultry or fish.

    With respect to lobster, I've heard it's actually more humane to just toss them in boiling water than it is to give them the lobotomy first. Also easier on your sharp knives.

    Lambs are adorable. Every time I drive by a farm with little babies, I cry inside.
     
  9. mordecai

    mordecai Senior member

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    I'll sprinkle some science in here:

    Yes, I'm aware that they have no cerebral cortex. I'm not claiming that they suffer in the same way that a human would suffer. My dilemma is in regards to whether that makes it OK to kill them over the course of a minute in boiling water.
     
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    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yes, I'm aware that they have no cerebral cortex. I'm not claiming that they suffer in the same way that a human would suffer. My dilemma is in regards to whether that makes it OK to kill them over the course of a minute in boiling water.
    Do you eat lobster killed by others?
     
  11. mordecai

    mordecai Senior member

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    Do you eat lobster killed by others?
    Not recently. I mentioned that. I probably will soon, because it's delicious. Your dish with the meat in the shells the other day was what inspired the thread. I would eat that all day long. This isn't a debilitating issue of morality that keeps me up at night, but it is one that I ignore out of convenience. I was curious if others feel in any way similar or have a differing view on whether the manner of death is a consideration and why or why not.
     
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    Yes, that's the point. Would you prefer that a cow be cooked alive if somebody discovered that the flavor was improved?

    Oysters are like plants. A lot of vegetarians eat them.


    Cooking a cow alive is a different story. It would take much longer and have to suffer a lot more than a lobster. A lobster dies in the water very quickly, and a lobster dies with the knife stab almost instantly. A cow gets shocked and then killed very quickly. I don't see how there is much of a morality difference. Either way, you're killing the animal for your own convenience. And lol at oysters "not counting."
     
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    Not recently. I mentioned that. I probably will soon, because it's delicious. Your dish with the meat in the shells the other day was what inspired the thread. I would eat that all day long. This isn't a debilitating issue of morality that keeps me up at night, but it is one that I ignore out of convenience. I was curious if others feel in any way similar or have a differing view on whether the manner of death is a consideration and why or why not.
    OK, so serious answer. I killed too many lobsters before I was mature enough to think about the morality of the issue. I used to tie their tails together so that they would stay straight when cooked, and the little fuckers hated that, but it didn't bother me. Now I don't really give any thought to it. If I want to eat lobster, I have to kill them, so that is what I do. I don't separate my killing food from somebody else doing it, and I don't really have moral issues about meat in any way, so I must not care about killing animals for food. This may be unsatisfying, but I do think it has more to do with our distance from our food in these times than anything else. If we still raised our own pigs and killed them so that we could eat, I don't think lobster morality would be a big issue.
     
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    Lambs are adorable. Every time I drive by a farm with little babies, I cry inside.

    Do you not like it, the silencing of the lambs?
     
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    I only eat soybeans killed by white people. They cost quite a bit more but I can rest better at night knowing my beans were murdered fairly.
     
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    OK, so serious answer. I killed too many lobsters before I was mature enough to think about the morality of the issue. I used to tie their tails together so that they would stay straight when cooked, and the little fuckers hated that, but it didn't bother me. Now I don't really give any thought to it. If I want to eat lobster, I have to kill them, so that is what I do. I don't separate my killing food from somebody else doing it, and I don't really have moral issues about meat in any way, so I must not care about killing animals for food. This may be unsatisfying, but I do think it has more to do with our distance from our food in these times than anything else. If we still raised our own pigs and killed them so that we could eat, I don't think lobster morality would be a big issue.
    It isn't really a "big" issue. But the fact that they are alive long enough to try to get out bothers me. I don't have a problem with the knife method, because it is (at least in theory) quicker and similar to the method of killing for other animals that I eat. I agree about the distance between our lives and the lives of the animals we consume. Deluded and dishonest consumption.
     
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    I've boiled a few lobsters and I have never seen them struggle to get out. Maybe I had docile ones but they went into the water, did almost nothing, and were dead in less than two minutes.
     
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    personally, there are other things that bother me a lot more. if you've been around a lot of lobsters, it's kind of hard to think of them as anything but bugs. big, delicious, ocean-going cockroaches. and they are EXTREMELY plentiful. i have a LOT more trouble with caviar, actually ... at least the good stuff ... killing an endangered species so you can rip out its ovaries just strikes me as problematic. and let's not even talk about bluefin tuna.
     
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    personally, there are other things that bother me a lot more. if you've been around a lot of lobsters, it's kind of hard to think of them as anything but bugs. big, delicious, ocean-going cockroaches. and they are EXTREMELY plentiful. i have a LOT more trouble with caviar, actually ... at least the good stuff ... killing an endangered species so you can rip out its ovaries just strikes me as problematic. and let's not even talk about bluefin tuna.

    I agree with that.
     
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    changy Senior member

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    In asia, we like to feed the shrimp alcohol first so they don't feel anything when we put them in boiling water.

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