Confederate Memorial Day

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  1. Jekyll

    Jekyll Senior member

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    The revisionist bullshit about states' rights is amusing.

    Some would say that it is anti-revisionist. I have no opinion on the matter.
     


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    globetrotter Senior member

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    I am about as against the confederacy as anybody - but a large number of brave men and boys gave their lives for something that they believed in, and, for the most part, they did it in a very honorable way.

    they should rest in peace, and they should be remembered - sometimes good men fight for stupid, bad causes, even though they have the best intentions. that is the base for a lot of tragedy literature.
     


  3. gnatty8

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    I am about as against the confederacy as anybody - but a large number of brave men and boys gave their lives for something that they believed in, and, for the most part, they did it in a very honorable way.

    +1
     


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    hossoso Coward and P*ssy

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    I am about as against the confederacy as anybody - but a large number of brave men and boys gave their lives for something that they believed in, and, for the most part, they did it in a very honorable way.
    As did the Taleban and the Nazis. There wasn't a goddamned thing honorable about what they did or why they did it.
     


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    As did the Taleban and the Nazis. There wasn't a goddamned thing honorable about what they did or why they did it.

    I agree with Hos. The rebels failed because they fought under a general who did not read Sun Tzu. He advised his troops to attack uphill in every major battle.
     


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    As did the Taleban and the Nazis. There wasn't a goddamned thing honorable about what they did or why they did it.

    sorry, this ins't as clear cut as that. I'd say that a lot of german, and probrably some taleban were in the same position - they fought honorably for things that they believed in.


    in terms of the confederacy, like nazi germany it was a society and an economy that were built on an evil premise, but that doens't mean that their werne't good people in the mix.

    the confederate generals were fools, almost to a man, but they did behave in a mostly honorable way. the men, mostly, behaved honerably. we should give them that.

    why they did it, that is another story - I agree that there was nothing honorable about that.
     


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    I agree with Hos. The rebels failed because they fought under a general who did not read Sun Tzu. He advised his troops to attack uphill in every major battle.

    I don't think any of the union generals read sun tzu, either,


    a couple of union generals were fighting a 20th century war, and almost every one of the confedrate generals was fighting a napolionic war.
     


  8. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    I agree that the confederate soldiers who died should be remembered, along with their Union brothers, not for their "exercise of Constitutional rights" but for the tragedy of their deaths due to a civil war -- a war between people of the same nation.
     


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    Noble Leslie Devotie, the founder of my fraternity, was the first casualty of the Civil War. He fell in the water trying to board a ship which was headed off somewhere to go fight some Northern aggressors. Apparently, he couldn't swim.
     


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    Jekyll Senior member

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    Noble Leslie Devotie, the founder of my fraternity, was the first casualty of the Civil War. He fell in the water trying to board a ship which was headed off somewhere to go fight some Northern aggressors. Apparently, he couldn't swim.

    i lol'd
     


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    sorry, this ins't as clear cut as that. I'd say that a lot of german, and probrably some taleban were in the same position - they fought honorably for things that they believed in. in terms of the confederacy, like nazi germany it was a society and an economy that were built on an evil premise, but that doens't mean that their werne't good people in the mix. the confederate generals were fools, almost to a man, but they did behave in a mostly honorable way. the men, mostly, behaved honerably. we should give them that. why they did it, that is another story - I agree that there was nothing honorable about that.
    Huhhhhhhh... We could nitpick this to death. It is semantics; you said honorable, I disagree blah, blah, blah... It is subjective (from how you want to argue it) and that is about as clear cut as we're going to get. I know you're not stupid or uninformed so I won't pretend like you are but I whole-heartedly disagree with you.
     


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    I agree that the confederate soldiers who died should be remembered, along with their Union brothers, not for their "exercise of Constitutional rights" but for the tragedy of their deaths due to a civil war -- a war between people of the same nation.

    Exactly. Robert E. Lee, before the war really began, stated the South would lose, and knew it would be bloody as hell, but that the bloodshed was necessary to rid us of slavery (the national sin). He was a complex guy.

    "They do not know what they say. If it came to a conflict of arms, the war will last at least four years. Northern politicians will not appreciate the determination and pluck of the South, and Southern politicians do not appreciate the numbers, resources, and patient perseverance of the North. Both sides forget that we are all Americans. I foresee that our country will pass through a terrible ordeal, a necessary expiation, perhaps, for our national sins"

    emphasis mine.
     


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    Exactly. Robert E. Lee, before the war really began, stated the South would lose, and knew it would be bloody as hell, but that the bloodshed was necessary to rid us of slavery (the national sin). He was a complex guy.

    "They do not know what they say. If it came to a conflict of arms, the war will last at least four years. Northern politicians will not appreciate the determination and pluck of the South, and Southern politicians do not appreciate the numbers, resources, and patient perseverance of the North. Both sides forget that we are all Americans. I foresee that our country will pass through a terrible ordeal, a necessary expiation, perhaps, for our national sins"

    emphasis mine.


    exactly, when I was younger I used to admire Lee - I think that he was a gentleman. a gentleman who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his coutnrymen - north and south. I would feel very comfortable sending my son to serve under Sherman, I would be terrified if my son was serving under lee.
     


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    What I really want to know is when is it William Tecumsah Sherman Day?

    Indeed, Southerners should celebrate him first and foremost.
     


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