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Conan may be replaced by Leno

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Dentata, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. embowafa

    embowafa Senior member

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    It screws Conan over, and plenty of sympathy is due to him. But I think Jay's evilness and NBC's stupidity here are vastly overblown.

    NBC's stupidity can never be overblown. They ran a #1 network into the ground.

    As for Jay being evil. He's not evil. He's just a slimy douche bag. Exhibit #1,245,421 was displayed just a couple days ago. Immediately after Conan wrote his "I'm not moving to midnight" open letter, Jay felt compelled to issue a similar comment basically stating how upset he was with NBC and the way they handled the situation, and he might leave NBC, too. What does he do the next day? Sign a contract to host the Tonight Show again.

    At every turn, Jay Leno is just so fake, it's sickening.
     
  2. breakz

    breakz Senior member

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    And hell, Conan isn't even that in touch with the younger audiences anymore, as we see in this thread. Jimmy freaking Fallon is preferred by the younger set.

    You made a bunch of great points, but I disagree with this. The Internet fervor for "Team Coco" is incredible evidence that Conan still connects with younger audiences.
     
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    Don't forget that it's more than just Jay or Conan that's affected here: their entire production teams may be laid off as well. That's probably worse for Conan since many of his staff moved to LA from NYC.

    --Andre
     
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    Don't forget that it's more than just Jay or Conan that's affected here: their entire production teams may be laid off as well. That's probably worse for Conan since many of his staff moved to LA from NYC.

    --Andre


    Conan seems like the type of principled guy that would do everything he could to take his staff with him should he hcange networks.
     
  5. Davidko19

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    I honestly CANNOT believe anyone gives a shit about this. Ive never seen people genuinely pissed off about something so irrelevant. Hell, I havent watched late night TV in in probably 10 years.

    Who exactly is their target demographic anyways? Everyone I know with real jobs is in bed by 11 on weeknights.
     
  6. odoreater

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    And hell, Conan isn't even that in touch with the younger audiences anymore, as we see in this thread. Jimmy freaking Fallon is preferred by the younger set.

    I preferred "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" to "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon," but I prefer "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon" over "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien."

    I think Conan's monologue is usually funnier than Jimmy's, but I think Jimmy's bits are funnier and more entertaining than Conan's. I also think that Conan is a dick to his guests a lot of the time, which I don't find particularly amusing.
     
  7. touchthesky

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    I honestly CANNOT believe anyone gives a shit about this. Ive never seen people genuinely pissed off about something so irrelevant. Hell, I havent watched late night TV in in probably 10 years.

    Who exactly is their target demographic anyways? Everyone I know with real jobs is in bed by 11 on weeknights.


    This is probably why you don't give a shit.
     
  8. sonick

    sonick Senior member

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    I dug up an old article about the Carson-Leno-Letterman controversy when Leno succeeded Carson, and found it quite interesting in context to what's happening now. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/30/ma...l?pagewanted=1
     
  9. Davidko19

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    This is probably why you don't give a shit.

    Yea, and my second point was asking who actually watches it?

    Cause every male I know with real careers in the 25-50 wheelhouse advertisers really care about dont give a flying fuck about late night tv... but apparently everyone has an opnion about who is better
     
  10. Dedalus

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    I honestly CANNOT believe anyone gives a shit about this. Ive never seen people genuinely pissed off about something so irrelevant. Hell, I havent watched late night TV in in probably 10 years.

    Who exactly is their target demographic anyways? Everyone I know with real jobs is in bed by 11 on weeknights.


    I have a real job, and I'm in bed by 10 PM, but I really give a shit. Humor is strangely something I've come to take very seriously. I can acknowledge how difficult it is to be funny and how important it is to me to have jokes to laugh at. It's a coping mechanism, maybe, but a humorless life is not worth living.

    Honestly, I owe a fair part of my sense of humor to Conan. His work on SNL and Simpsons played a large role in shaping my sense of humor, and then during college, I would stay up late and watch him every night. I don't know this man personally, and I don't watch him anymore because I have a job/family, but I feel about him how many older people might feel about Dylan or Kerouac. I don't mean that I do standup or write shows because of him, but just the everyday stuff of finding shit to laugh at and how you joke with your friends. I feel emotionally invested in his work.

    So yeah, fuck NBC and fuck Leno.
     
  11. z7f9q

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    So yeah, fuck NBC and fuck Leno.

    Pretty much.

    On that note, did anybody see Jimmy Kimmel light Leno up in his 10 @ 10 segment when Leno had him on? Leno was gritting his teeth and trying to desperately get through the questions, and Kimmel was digging at him every chance he got. I don't really like Jimmy Kimmel, but he's been unbelievable this past week with the Leno impersonation, coverage, etc.
     
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    I really don't know what to make of that segment. Leno was clearly setting up Kimmel for easy controversy jokes, but perhaps Kimmel was taking it a bit farther than was previously discussed.

    Anyone else have an opinion on this?


    Here's the vid of Kimmel destroying Leno on his own show if Chrono's embed isn't working:

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    willy cheesesteak Senior member

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    Pages 8 and 10, all of these have been posted.

    You guys have to click the links and watch the vids, so much good stuff especially from Howard Stern, Rosie, etc.
     
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    Pages 8 and 10, all of these have been posted.

    You guys have to click the links and watch the vids, so much good stuff especially from Howard Stern, Rosie, etc.


    I didn't see Kimmel as Leno posted previously....
     
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    I feel about him how many older people might feel about Dylan or Kerouac.
    Are you insinuating that Conan might be done in by a can of bad tuna?

    - E
     
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    When the dust settles, I will watch whatever NBC puts on. I can't stand Letterman, and I normally don't change the channel after the Tonight Show, even though the few times I've seen Craig Ferguson, he's been pretty funny.

    But more specifically, at the end of the day, I don't really give a fuck. All these guys will probably be richer for the rest of their lives than any of us will ever get close to being no matter what happens with this situation.
     
  18. teddieriley

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    I preferred "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" to "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon," but I prefer "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon" over "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien."

    I think Conan's monologue is usually funnier than Jimmy's, but I think Jimmy's bits are funnier and more entertaining than Conan's. I also think that Conan is a dick to his guests a lot of the time, which I don't find particularly amusing.


    Jimmy's monologue is much much shorter because his delivery sucks, and yet after months to get settled in, he still seems awkward with his movements during his monologes. While Conan may have some lame bits, I think Jimmy's are pretty bad and more frequent - what's that one with the piece of carpet? Stupid. Same thing with throwing hot dogs into a hole. I mean is that to entertain the morons that make up his audience? I only watch every so often because he has the Roots on.

    I don't think Conan is any better or worse than Leno. Conan is a likeable guy, although his self-depracation can be a bit tiring, but overall, I enjoy the show and don't miss Leno one bit at 11:35.
     
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    Jimmy's monologue is much much shorter because his delivery sucks, and yet after months to get settled in, he still seems awkward with his movements during his monologes. While Conan may have some lame bits, I think Jimmy's are pretty bad and more frequent - what's that one with the piece of carpet? Stupid. Same thing with throwing hot dogs into a hole. I mean is that to entertain the morons that make up his audience? I only watch every so often because he has the Roots on.

    I don't think Conan is any better or worse than Leno. Conan is a likeable guy, although his self-depracation can be a bit tiring, but overall, I enjoy the show and don't miss Leno one bit at 11:35.


    Yeah, Jimmy Fallon does have some lame bits, but he also has some very funny ones. I like the bit he does where he writes out the thank you cards. I also like when he does "Freestylin' with the Roots." I also like that he does a second bit involving one of the guests, which is usually pretty funny/entertaining.

    With Conan, some of his bits are getting tiring too. "In the Year 2000" used to be very funny, but ever since they changed it to "in the year 3000" it's kind of stupid. Also stuff like "twitter tracker" is pretty stupid. I also don't like his interviewing style (as I've stated before). In any case, I change the channel most of the time when the interviews start because I really don't give a shit what most of these assholes who get interviewed have to say about anything.
     

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