I'm a newcomer to any sense of style, so I thought I'd share my newbie experiences with four online MTM shirt makers. I have a fat neck so RTW shirts never fit me. I find high and stiff collars very uncomfortable to wear all day, and I've yet to find the right collar combo that looks OK but isn't a pain in the neck. ONE: The first one I tried was www.tailor4less.com The name should have given me a clue, but they did promise to deliver in 3 weeks, had a good website and charged 29 Euros. I had my wife take the measurements and the shirt duly arrived in 18 days. The fit was not bad for a first attempt, a little more slim fit than I was used to, and the sleeves a bit long. I really hated the material and the collar. The material was white poplin, and took me 45 minutes to iron after the first wash. In the photo is doesn't look so bad, but up close it's something K-Mart would reject! The collar was like cardboard, uncomfortable and ugly. http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...1&d=1234011225 TWO : Next try was Marks and Spencer in the UK http://www.marksandspencer.com . They have a new system - you just put in your neck size, height, weight and age and they figure out the rest. Good option for the first MTM. Shirt arrived in 25 days and cost GBP 29. Loved the material it was a white twill, felt soft and luxurious and hung nicely. The fit was actually a pretty good fit, but I hated the collar - they only have options for eight collar types with no selection of height or interlining. I had the height of the collar reduced locally, it feels better, but I don't like the way it looks too much. http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...1&d=1234011225 THREE: The much-favored Jantzen. Five weeks to deliver (I heard nothing from them until the shirt arrived in the mail). The choice of fabrics and styles was a bit overwhelming, but I could choose the lower, soft collar. The fabric was Jantzen*2007, White Dobby Stripe with Black /Navy/Light Blue Stripes,100's, 2 Ply. Not hugely impressed by either the fabric or the fit. The material is a bit lifeless. Cost US $40. Since placed an order for two more shirts from them, but five weeks later, no response. I also emailed Ricky directly with photos of the shirt for advice on fit, no response. http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...1&d=1234011225 FOUR: www.tailorstore.com great website and customer service, they even send swatches for a small fee. Not cheap (EUR 63 with shipping) but shirt arrived in 17 days. I had given shirt measurements by trying to combine the best of what I had ordered so far. The fabric was awesome, unfortunately the sleeves turned out way too tight and the cuffs are a little longer than I am used to. The sleeves are uncomfortable enough that I can't wear it and I asked them what can be done. http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...1&d=1234011225 So for first timers I would recommend Marks and Spencer, Jantzen if you have the patience and know what you want, and Tailorstore if you don't mind spending a little more for better service. Tailor4less I don't recommend. BTW all shirts are washed several times except the Tailorstore one.