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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by johnnynorman3, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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  2. PeterMetro

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    I don't think a tie in and of itself can be obnoxiously preppy (unless of course it has silhouettes of Nantucket on it or something). If you were to wear that tie with a lavender shirt and a slim cut charcoal one button, nobody would call you preppy.

    However, if you were to wear it with a button down oxford, Brooks Brothers 2 button blazer, khakis and topsiders with no socks, that could be considered obnoxiosly preppy.

    On a side note, I'm a big fan of people who hijack style to suit their own needs. The hip hop community has been doing it with the prepster style for a while now - see their adoption of Tommy Hilfiger and Sean Jean argyle sweaters. I myself sometimes break out the tennis sweater and white wing tips. My friends recognize that it's all a bit tongue in cheek.
     
  3. NavyStyles

    NavyStyles Senior member

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    It's a nice tie, man. I think the only way it'll be considered preppy is if you were to present yourself in such a manner.
     
  4. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    It's interesting to see the increasingly symbiotic relationship between the different style cultures.
     
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    jpeirpont Senior member

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    Theres a such thing as too preppy?
     
  6. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    I am personally quite envious of those who had the opportunity to attend prep school and elite universities. I think it is not necessarily the academic education that is important, but how one is socialized i.e. exposure to upper class sensibilities. I think these elite institutions also instil a sense of pride, confidence and "entitlement to succeed" in their students. For those who have had the opportunity to attend prep schools and elite colleges, can you talk about what are the most important lessons you've learned that have served you well in life?

    One of the things that peeves me is that whenever I try to be kind and advise a particular friend, who grew up in very modest backgrounds, that dressing well is very important to succeed in many fields, he never listens. I don't like how the world judges others by appearences, but there's nothing I can do. But what annoys me even more is that people from modest backgrounds almost invariably believe that all they need to do to succeed is to work hard; they seldom realize that presenting themselves properly and carrying themselves properly -- e.g. proper table manners, public speaking skills -- are extremely important. They were simply not brought up in environments where these values were prized.
     
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    jpeirpont Senior member

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    I wholeheartedly agree with you Gregory. Dress for Success, by John Molloy covers this topic very well. The upper-middle class look suggests success and the working class look in most circumstances signals the opposite.

    In most industries "dressing correctly", speaking correctly and showing "proper" breeding is as important as working hard. It shows you're a member of the team and can be trusted
     
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    gregory Senior member

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    You'll have to do better than that, jpeirpont [​IMG] Tell me/us more about your prep school experiences. At least, private msg me.
     
  9. PeterMetro

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    I went to a classic New England prep school (name like a law firm, anyone familiar can figure it out), and I'm not sure I fully agree with your characterization.

    While I found the education to be great - a fact I only fully realized when I got to college and read some of my peers' freshman year essays: yikes, paragraphs might be helpful - the exposure to upper class sensibilities was sorely lacking. We had the typical jock bullies, Latin club geeks, drama fops and cigarette smoking punk rockers. This was no finishing school - I've met kids from the PJs that are more charming, sophisticated and so-called "classy" than the Rockefeller descendants I went to school with.

    I won't argue with your comments on pride and confidence, even though it that can be detrimental at times. I think a big thing that these schools (and a privledged upbringing in general) can take away is drive. An entitlement to succeed is almost a sure guarantee of failure.

    The one thing I think these schools teach extremely well, without really meaning to, is social networking. You learn from the beginning that it's good to know people. And it's not necessarily the people you meet at the school - but rather how advantageous social networks can be in business and how to effectively utilize them. I know people who've been hired based primarily on their contacts - see any lobbyist in business.
     

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