Collar Anatomy and Design 101: What's this called?

[razl]

When the "tab" of a collar, where it buttons in the front, has a lot of "space" - what is that called? Here are two examples - note the material for the button and hole, when buttoned, still leave space between the top of the collar's wings:

as opposed to other (most?) collars where the buttoned part more or less closes the gap entirely:

Also, can the first type be successfully altered to the second? I ask because I have a casual shirt like that which I would never wear a tie with but the collar won't stand right if left open. Instead, the extra tab wants to lay flat - like in the brooks example, which looks very odd.

 

[Parker]

it's actually called "tie space". Fo some reason I don't like it when the collar actually touches at the top of the upside down "V". I like a little separation, but not as much as that top example.

 

[SpooPoker]

I read that 3x and I don't know what part you are talking about.

edit - I read Parkers reply and now I do.

 

[razl]



I read that 3x and I don't know what part you are talking about.
edit - I read Parkers reply and now I do.

I momentarily baffled The Spoo. Nice.

Although it might speak more to my lack of eloquent description than befuddling skills.

 

[Despos]

Tie space is the answer to your first question, no it cannot be changed is the answer to your second question and this is not related to why your collar lies flat

 

[Ricini]

A post from ASW covers tie space.

 

[razl]



Tie space is the answer to your first question, no it cannot be changed is the answer to your second question and this is not related to why your collar lies flat

Thanks for the answers. Could you give a more information as to why it lies flat or not? My only two shirts that exhibit this are shirts that have substantial tie space, and when unbuttoned both lay like the brooks shirt. No amount of fiddling and trying to bend them to get some perk just fails. It seems like the portion of the shirt just below the collar has too much fabric to sit upright and it always wants to fall back flat. The large tie-space was the only similarity I could figure out.

I'm interested because, truth be known, I want to avoid shirts like this in the future. If tie-space isn't the reason, then I'm still in the hunt.

 

[NORE]

The collars lay flat because they are buttoned down and cant move when you open the shirt. You could either try an experiment where you move the buttons holding the tips down to the body of the shirt, or starch the collars stiff which might make them stand up but will create a weird rumpling effect under the buttons.