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clemens on the hill

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by DouggiePhresh, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. DouggiePhresh

    DouggiePhresh Well-Known Member

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    Clemens is testifying right now. He definitely needs a good Windsor with that shirt.
     
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    NYTimes is streaming the hearing.
     
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    coming into this hearing i thought clemens was guilty but i didnt realize shady mcmanee was ........ I cant decide!!!
     
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    I don't think it matters how big a slimeball McManee is; Pettitte's affadavit will prove to be the Rocket's downfall. Bringing McManee to the table is just to show the world the dregs of society Clemens hangs out with. Further damaging his rep.

    'Fraid Roger can kiss the HOF good bye.
     
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    I don't think it matters how big a slimeball McManee is; Pettitte's affadavit will prove to be the Rocket's downfall. Bringing McManee to the table is just to show the world the dregs of society Clemens hangs out with. Further damaging his rep.

    'Fraid Roger can kiss the HOF good bye.


    If Bonds gets in, then so does Clemens. Both would've gone anyway based on their pre-roid numbers. Both have been complete douchebags in how they've handled this.
     
  6. JBZ

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    What seals it for me is that Clemens is claiming that his wife not only took HGH, but that she got it from Brian McNamee, all without his knowledge. McNamee is a shady character in his own right, but I'm just not buying what Roger is selling.
     
  7. DouggiePhresh

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    I don't think it matters how big a slimeball McManee is; Pettitte's affadavit will prove to be the Rocket's downfall. Bringing McManee to the table is just to show the world the dregs of society Clemens hangs out with. Further damaging his rep.

    'Fraid Roger can kiss the HOF good bye.



    Guily before proven innocent? [​IMG]
     
  8. sonick

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    Maybe its because I'm not familiar with the American legal system, or for baseball, but what does it have to do with law and the government if they took steroids? Isn't it purely a matter of baseball and the MLB?
     
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    Maybe its because I'm not familiar with the American legal system, or for baseball, but what does it have to do with law and the government if they took steroids? Isn't it purely a matter of baseball and the MLB?



    100% correct.
     
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    Well, he is under oath legally. So if he is lying, thing he can be found guilty for perjury.

    I think he's lying. There are too many people's word against his own.
     
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    Well, he is under oath legally. So if he is lying, thing he can be found guilty for perjury.

    I think he's lying. There are too many people's word against his own.


    But why was he forced to testify under oath in the first place?
     
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    Steroids are still a controlled substance, no?
     
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    ^Yes. Whether Congress ought to be devoting time to such bullshit grandstanding is one thing. But they certainly have the legal authority and at least some ostensibly revevant reasons for "investigating". There are allegations of illegal sales of controlled substances. Plus, there's the whole "we might have to consider revoking your antitrust exemption" thing.
     
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    ^Yes. Whether Congress ought to be devoting time to such bullshit grandstanding is one thing. But they certainly have the legal authority and at least some ostensibly revevant reasons for "investigating". There are allegations of illegal sales of controlled substances. Plus, there's the whole "we might have to consider revoking your antitrust exemption" thing.




    I haven't follow this closely, but Pettite's testimony that Clemens admitted to him that he'd used HGH seems pretty damning. Clemens' explanation is that Pettite "misheard" him? Pretty weak.

    Full disclosure: even before this stuff broke I considered Clemens to be an ass, so I'm probably predisclosed to disbelieve him.

    Crap -- hit "quote" when I meant to hit "edit".
     
  15. sonick

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    Steroids are still a controlled substance, no?

    Ah, gotcha... The issue was I thought it was legal in the first place, considering all the juiced up meatheads at the gym you see.
     
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    but what about his get up? Did he wear a black peak lapel suit or do I need a new TV? And the guy that sat behind him in a black pinstripe suit, white shirt, solid turquoise tie and a really bad rug? He looked like Pesci in Goodfellas.
     
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    Ah, gotcha... The issue was I thought it was legal in the first place, considering all the juiced up meatheads at the gym you see.

    iirc, steroids were the "breakfast of Champions" for a while, until they started showing adverse side effects (don't get Soph started on this one) involved with their usage/abuse. Once the side effects came to surface, they became controlled substances, and the stigma came around, to where even former users started issuing denials. This is just top-of-the-head recollections, fact-checking will probably affirm some points and refute others, but it's late and I don't feel like googling at this hour.

    but, if you want to recover quickly, there's nothing better than the 'roids.
    And if you're a marquee name whose career is fading, and you don't recover like you used to, and you have too large a financial incentive to walk away, you don't see much in the way of choices. I would be more surprised if Clemens didn't use.
     
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    Ah, gotcha... The issue was I thought it was legal in the first place, considering all the juiced up meatheads at the gym you see.

    I'm pretty sure hgh, for example, requires a prescription
     
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    but what about his get up? Did he wear a black peak lapel suit or do I need a new TV? And the guy that sat behind him in a black pinstripe suit, white shirt, solid turquoise tie and a really bad rug? He looked like Pesci in Goodfellas.
    I believe it was a DB suit (as was McNamee's suit). Pesci in the turquoise tie was Clemens' lawyer, Rusty Hardin.
     

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