LOL, no I was not trying to say piss of. What I was saying though, and with a brief background, was this: When I came to the realization that I sucked, some years ago, and started getting, and listening to, a lot of feedback, I was a wimp. Someone said something was bad, I ate it up, and changed. I am open to feedback, so if someone said I was doing something wrong, or could it better, I tossed out any ideas I had, and blindly followed. Now, I think in some ways that was good, and I gained a lot from that, and it was what I needed at the time, but I came to realize soon after that, there was rarely consensus on how something looked, and even with the "rules" (as we see with the stripe shirt topic) there was often a variety of opinions. As such, I would change something, and then someone wold say no its fine, dont change, or do something else. After not to long my head was spinning. There was no way to get a definitive answer, and no matter what, the many experts would be divided in what I should do. At a point I realized, hey, I'm not perfect, but I have learned enough to know a thing or two, and instead of just blindly doing what I am told, I am first going to absorb all the information and opinions, and then I will decide which camp I personally agree with, and that is the route I will take. That inherently means that some people, knowledgeable people, and sometimes quite vehemently, will say I screwed the pooch, but thats ok. I have a backbone and a thick enough skin, and I am confident in my choice, and know that it is within the bounds of good taste or nice looking or whatever term you want to use. Back to the topic at hand. I was not putting my fingers in my ears and saying "nahnahnahnah Im not listening Im so pretty nahnahnahnah." What I was saying was, and this is something I have said before, and I stand by it steadfastly, in the end, menswear is an excersize in aesthetics, and the end product has to look nice, and what looks nice is different to different people. Because, as the adage goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So, as it so happens, personally, I felt that my combination was spot on. I know that makes me sound like a douche, but why should I lie? I enjoyed it, and I was pleased with it without exception. Perhaps the tasteful thing is to agree to every critique even when you dont, but thats dishonest for the sake of saving face, and spineless. On top of that, there were people, like Murl, who also thought the combination was dead on. Because, aesthetics are never the same to everyone. There are times I see things I dont like on others, but I know thats just my preference and what they are wearing is fine, and probably appealing to others with as much, or more, knowledge as me. Its one thing if I think something is just bad, or wildly incoherent, or against a staid rule, but when its just, oh that does not float my boat exactly, I dont expert the wearer to necessarily ask how high when I say jump. I could have "agreed" to every critique, but then some disliked the shirt, but were ok with the rest, others the tie, or PS, or some combo of the 3. There was no consensus. So I agree with the guy who is ok with all but the square and then I agree with the guy who is ok with all but the tie, and all of a sudden I have contradicted myself because I was being dishonest with my agreement, and now Im waving back and forth every other post changing this and changing that. For what? As always, I appreciate all the feedback I get here, and believe me I always think about it and absorb it, but that does not mean that I, or anyone else, has to adhere to it without question. We all have different nuances in our likes and dislikes, and I never expect that any one rig will appeal to the max to everyone, and thats just fine. It breeds a lot of the great discourse we have here. Wow. Was not expecting to ramble that much.