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Citizens On Patrol Thread...forum rules you would like to see

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Matt, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    ^^^ Do you put no stock at all in the "talked out" thesis?

    For me? Not really.

    I can see how it is probably true for others, but I suspect that goes in phases. Three of my favorite MC threads or posts recently were medtech's photographic summaries of his Napoli su Misura stuff, Butler's Hitchcock WAYWRN posts, your Naples trip report, and your update on your A&S jacket. New experiences make for interesting new threads and posts.

    The key thing for me is that such new members or new topics be interesting. The fact that a member is "new" means little to me if the member is dull, or as I really do think is recently true, a troll, sock, spammer or "drive-by" member.

    For example, Montesquieu was a new member but he came in with great WAYWRN shots and then proceeded to document and share his experiences at Attolini, Rubinacci and Steed. He provided a generous and rare glimpse of top makers on the same man. He was a bit n00by in sense that he was a recent customer for all three, yet he was interesting not just because of the goods but because he definitely had a stylistic concept he was trying to fill out.

    His generosity was met by a fair amount of hosility from the peanut gallery, and a few snark bombs from senior members whose public service message is if-it's-not-my-stuff-it's-crap.

    I don't know if he curtailed his posting because of this or simply being busy or losing interest. My main point with his example is that this is the kind of n00b whom I find interesting. It's not the kind that asks if he should wear a suit to a job interview or the kind that posts ten new threads in a week...or a day.

    I guess I'm less concerned with reversing attrition of jaded senior members.

    A recent guy like Monty is medtech_expat. His NsM thread almost went off the cliff when it went into the vera Napoletana argument trench. I'm glad it didn't, but it was close.
     
  2. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I don't understand. You seemed to be saying earlier that you think the supply of new members is not merely finite but also nearly exhausted.
     
  3. deadly7

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    Seems to me like there is a lot less interesting talk about good clothes in MC than there was formerly.

    I could be wrong about that. It's certainly my perception. But at the very least for my perception to have changed, something on the site is likely to have changed. I am just speculating as to the cause. You are stating reasons why the phenomenon I am describing should not happen. I am more trying to explain why something that I perceive to have happened did in fact happen.


    Compared to older threads I definitely think "good clothes" are not as frequently posted. When it was just the initial people for whom this was a serious hobby, there was a different tone. MTM and bespoke were many of the old discussions because you all had means to buy clothes like that. The Average Joe that did a Google search on "good suit tips" does not care about the intricacies of peak stitching or gorge. They just want a suit that doesn't look awful and is versatile. Hence, you lose the "good clothes" talk and get the "average person wants average clothes" talk in its stead.
     
  4. Monaco

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    I don't know why so many people get hung up over noobs, there are going to be noobs for every thing, everyday. If I don't like a thread, I'll usually just click back and look for others to respond on. If the noob is in some sort of dire need of help, I'll try my best to help.

    Sometimes I think the older members of SF are worse than noobs or spammers.

    So where are the solutions to this thread? are there not enough moderators? do we have to elect some? are we going to make a forum pact to play nice? lol
     
  5. deadly7

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    I don't know why so many people get hung up over noobs, there are going to be noobs for every thing, everyday. If I don't like a thread, I'll just click back and look for others to respond on. If the noob is in some sort of dire need of help, I'll try my best to help.

    Sometimes I think the older members of SF are worse than noobs or spammers.

    So where are the solutions to this thread? are there not enough moderators? do we have to elect some? are we going to make a forum pact to play nice? lol


    You can restrict yourself. Some people can't.
     
  6. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    I don't understand. You seemed to be saying earlier that you think the supply of new members is not merely finite but also nearly exhausted.

    That is, indeed, what I think.

    So, the rare new member who comes along with something substantive is more important to my serious interest in MC than the types of new members on whom this thread proposes to lavish renewed attention.

    Well, you might be right. Maybe it's over.
     
  7. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That is, indeed, what I think.

    So, the rare new member who comes along with something substantive is more important to my serious interest in MC than the types of new members on whom this thread proposes to lavish renewed attention.

    Well, you might be right. Maybe it's over.


    I may be right, but if so we seem to think I am right for wholly different reasons.
     
  8. Douglas

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    please... why do we tolerate javyn, charley, cbrown etc?
     
  9. deadly7

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    I don't know if vB has a mod for this or not
    It would be nice to see threads < x days old [or with x days inactivity] simply moved or locked so that new posts like the one I juts reported don't happen.
     
  10. musicguy

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    I think a noob subforum is a bad idea and could turn off users or be interpreted as an insult. Style/Clothing/Fashion whatever you want to call it isn't like Linux. Linux needs a noob forum because most users have no freaking clue about how to do anything in Linux (myself included). Clothing is different; we've been wearing clothes for practically our entire lives.

    Recommend me X, or Should I or shouldn't I buy... (clothing item) is a good idea for SW&D. Maybe they should be there in MC too.

    The "Ask a Question, Get an Answer" thread doesn't seem to work because some (myself included) aren't interested in going to that thread often to answer questions. That said, I've been grateful for the times I've received responses in those threads.
     
  11. LA Guy

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    That had to be surreal. I can relate, having been told in various healthcare threads that I have no idea about Canadian health care, etc.

    I've had similar experiences...

    I think a noob subforum is a bad idea and could turn off users or be interpreted as an insult. Style/Clothing/Fashion whatever you want to call it isn't like Linux. Linux needs a noob forum because most users have no freaking clue about how to do anything in Linux (myself included). Clothing is different; we've been wearing clothes for practically our entire lives.

    Recommend me X, or Should I or shouldn't I buy... (clothing item) is a good idea for SW&D. Maybe they should be there in MC too.

    The "Ask a Question, Get an Answer" thread doesn't seem to work because some (myself included) aren't interested in going to that thread often to answer questions. That said, I've been grateful for the times I've received responses in those threads.


    Thanks for the post. I agree with you completely re. Noob subforums, and so does j, so it's not going to happen. That said, in the new implementation of the forum, there will be tools that direct people to more targeted information.

    Of all the successful forums I have been on not a single one blocks first time noob threads. The only one I can think of is hackint0sh which puts all noob threads into a queue to be moderated.

    Also, wikis work really well for consolidating information like "Best suit for $1000, $500, etc". FlyerTalk and HydrogenAudio have done this really well. But like all wikis, we just need some people to get it started.


    Agreed again; and just to let you know, I'm working on a nifty incentive system to get you guys interested in writing entries for a Wiki (it might be more of a searchable FAQ, but we'll see).

    Thanks for all of the comments so far, everyone, and please keep them coming. This has been a really helpful thread.
     
  12. SpooPoker

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    For me? Not really.

    The key thing for me is that such new members or new topics be interesting. The fact that a member is "new" means little to me if the member is dull, or as I really do think is recently true, a troll, sock, spammer or "drive-by" member.


    His generosity was met by a fair amount of hosility from the peanut gallery, and a few snark bombs from senior members whose public service message is if-it's-not-my-stuff-it's-crap.

    I don't know if he curtailed his posting because of this or simply being busy or losing interest. My main point with his example is that this is the kind of n00b whom I find interesting.

    I guess I'm less concerned with reversing attrition of jaded senior members.



    I very clearly remember an instance in my first 10 posts. I lurked for a few months, got to know the cast of characters, etc. The thread was something like "whats in style now". I posted that style is your own and you make of it what you will, and its different for everyone.

    Well, 10 seconds later, someone who will remain nameless comes along and says "it only takes 2 senior members to get you banned, and I am one. Who's with me?" I had no idea what I did wrong. I was all WTF did I do - and then of course the pile on happened, and everyone was like Ban him! Ban him! I swear, it was a terrible feeling. However, I remember Sho'Nuff PM'ing me to tell me that snark was part of the hazing process, and to take it with a grain of salt.

    I dont think I ever thanked you for that, Sho. Thanks. You made me the man I am today. [​IMG]
     
  13. musicguy

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    I very clearly remember an instance in my first 10 posts. I lurked for a few months, got to know the cast of characters, etc. The thread was something like "whats in style now". I posted that style is your own and you make of it what you will, and its different for everyone. Well, 10 seconds later, someone who will remain nameless comes along and says "it only takes 2 senior members to get you banned, and I am one. Who's with me?" I had no idea what I did wrong. I was all WTF did I do - and then of course the pile on happened, and everyone was like Ban him! Ban him! I swear, it was a terrible feeling. However, I remember Sho'Nuff PM'ing me to tell me that snark was part of the hazing process, and to take it with a grain of salt. I dont think I ever thanked you for that, Sho. Thanks. You made me the man I am today. [​IMG]
    lol I remember that... woah! I think I seconded the guy who recommended the ban [​IMG]
     
  14. Matt

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    Compared to older threads I definitely think "good clothes" are not as frequently posted. When it was just the initial people for whom this was a serious hobby, there was a different tone. MTM and bespoke were many of the old discussions because you all had means to buy clothes like that. The Average Joe that did a Google search on "good suit tips" does not care about the intricacies of peak stitching or gorge. They just want a suit that doesn't look awful and is versatile. Hence, you lose the "good clothes" talk and get the "average person wants average clothes" talk in its stead.

    I don't buy that either...the bargain hunting here goes back...shit....way before I do.

    J's thrifting thread has been around forever, people have been sending people to Jantzen forever and so on. This has always been a forum that loved a bargain, and I don't think the old days had a higher percentage of people who could afford Kiton, Brioni and Anderson & Sheppard. It was less streetweary back then, no doubt, but then, the amount of money the streetwear kids throw at jeans and sneakers kind of mutes the means argument.
     
  15. Rambo

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    ^The fact that we've been mired in this recession for so long isn't helping matters either.
     
  16. deadly7

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    I don't buy that either...the bargain hunting here goes back...shit....way before I do.

    J's thrifting thread has been around forever, people have been sending people to Jantzen forever and so on. This has always been a forum that loved a bargain, and I don't think the old days had a higher percentage of people who could afford Kiton, Brioni and Anderson & Sheppard. It was less streetweary back then, no doubt, but then, the amount of money the streetwear kids throw at jeans and sneakers kind of mutes the means argument.


    Ah, I didn't mean to come off as saying people can't afford clothes like that. Moreso, the less they know about clothes, the less aware they are of higher-quality companies' existence. Before I started reading SF I saw the names Kiton, Attolini, etc. once every year or so. When the average new member comes in knowing that Kenneth Cole shoes are awesome because everyone is wearing them, it changes the scope of the forum. In MC, compare the number of new members talking about Hermes, Kiton, etc. versus Kenneth Cole, Men's Wearhouse, JAB to fully understand my point.
     
  17. SpooPoker

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    lol I remember that... woah! I think I seconded the guy who recommended the ban [​IMG]

    Close.. you were right in the mix. [​IMG]
     
  18. musicguy

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    Close.. you were right in the mix. [​IMG]

    rofl... It was my thread! woah... talk about a full circle
     
  19. NorCal

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    The Ubuntu forums have an 'Absolute Beginner' board for noobs to post dumnoobstuff. I tended to use that one exclusively...I'm wondering if that is a good idea. Thoughts?
    Not a bad idea but how do you get people to use them? In SW&D there are several pinned threads that overlap and actually take up a bunch of screen space and people still rarely use them. My two cents: I might actually suggest getting rid of a bunch of the "vintage" pinned threads, e.g. trans mod 1.0, the first WAYWT and maybe moving them into a archival sub fora or some such. It would unclog the top of the screen and make the important pinned threads stand out that much more. It might make people more likely to actually use them. Perhaps add a transmod general chat where the regulars could bitch, argue, call for bannings, speculate on socks and the like. Mods could drop by as they wish and the real transmod could be kept clear for legit site topics. Hand out a few TO's to get the point across. A good, well curated wikki would be an awesome idea. I actually agree with SH, merging GC and E&C is not a bad idea. Don't mess with the CESS, the people that hate it either a) are not smart enough to hang or b) really love it and just like to bitch. (See: Manton). Try to get a hand on the random soft porn in MC threads. I have no idea why the MC crowd thinks it's so clever but it's really not. (looking at you Vox). Ban one of Vox's accounts. IP ban Wolf Cub and Moon and all of his socks. I have no idea why his CPish posts are tolerated at all. Make TS a mod for one day a month during which he could go on a reign of terror. And do what can be done to put an end to the really mean spirited and rather pathetic misogyny that has sprouted up. I'm a certified sexual deviant and I find it pointless, offensive, and unfunny. Worst of all unfunny. Most of the people carrying that flag likely only see women on the internet anyway.
     
  20. Mark from Plano

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    Make TS a mod for one day a month during which he could go on a reign of terror.
    The best suggestion in the thread. And by "best" of course I mean worst, but intriguing and fun to think about.
     

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