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Church's Shoes

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by tonylumpkin, Dec 5, 2007.

  1. TKDKid

    TKDKid Senior member

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    What brogueing? I don't see any brogueing at all.

    I think he means the oversized pinking/gimping along the edges of the leather.

    Compare with, say, the C&J Tavistock:

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  2. DocHolliday

    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think he means the oversized pinking/gimping along the edges of the leather.

    Compare with, say, the C&J Tavistock:

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    This the how an austerity brogue should look, in my book. I don't know that I've seen a nicer version.
     
  3. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Senior member

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    eh, the shape may be OK, but that broguing is just not right. It does not quite have the austere simplicity of a captoe, nor does it have the casual nonchalance of a long wingtip. It's an in-between mutant, lacking any distinct identity.

    'An in-between mutant lacking any distinct identity' seems unnecessarily pejorative.

    I'm sure it wasn't made to deride [​IMG] since, if consistently applied, you are condemning the styling similarities of the C & J Tavistock or the EG Beaulieu .... and that would never do [​IMG]

    Now in terms of quality... the Beaulieu and the Tavistock are out of sight. That is not the point of argument here.


    Regards,

    Graham
     
  4. Vashin

    Vashin Senior member

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    Hi,

    I don't know much (read anything) about shoes and was wondering if anyone could give me more info on these shoes...

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    I picked these up for $10 at a local thrift store. If anyone could give me more info and general care tips it would be much appreciated.
     
  5. well-kept

    well-kept Senior member

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    If they fit you, you did well for ten dollars. Those are older Church's, quite well made, and they seem to still have their original heels.

    To care for them it is important to get shoe trees of the correct size and insert them when the shoes aren't being worn. Polish them with Meltonian cream. Every few times, follow the cream polish with an application of wax polish such as Kiwi. Don't wear them more than one day in a row. Allow them a day to rest. They should serve you well for a long time.
     
  6. GeorgePaul

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    If they fit you, you did well for ten dollars. Those are older Church's, quite well made, and they seem to still have their original heels.
    I agree. Except that they're not fully leather lined. The fabric lining is, frankly, indicative of not very good quality.
     
  7. Vashin

    Vashin Senior member

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    I think I read somewhere that the pre-prada church's had the fabric lining? But I can't find much info about their pre-prada offerings.

    Thanks for the help!
     
  8. GeorgePaul

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    I think I read somewhere that the pre-prada church's had the fabric lining?
    Take a look at my pre-Prada penny loafers above (post #35).
     
  9. Tarmac

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    I've had church's cordovan bluchers which were at least 20 years old and they were fully leather lined. Also right now I have a pair of Brooks English which I believe are Church's, and they are also fully leather lined.
     
  10. Percy Trimmer

    Percy Trimmer Senior member

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    Hi,

    I don't know much (read anything) about shoes and was wondering if anyone could give me more info on these shoes...

    I picked these up for $10 at a local thrift store. If anyone could give me more info and general care tips it would be much appreciated.


    Only that it does not say 'Milan' inside - so they are pre-Prada.
     
  11. misterjase

    misterjase Senior member

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    Is it just me or is the 'London, New York, Paris, Milan' a bit stupid to everyone else given the shoes are everywhere now.
     
  12. TCN

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    I think I read somewhere that the pre-prada church's had the fabric lining? But I can't find much info about their pre-prada offerings.

    Thanks for the help!


    Yes, they did. I have three or four pairs of Church's Consuls (custom grades) that were pre-Prada, that had the linen lining. I'm not sure why the linen lining gets such bad press here, I've always found it to wick moisture much better than leather.
     
  13. Salsalocust

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    I love returning to this thread from time to time to see how the 'bashing' has 'moved on [​IMG]

    and when I get the oppotunity, continue to post IMHO fine examples of Church's work [​IMG]

    Church "Sheldon" Cape Butts (dark brown) suede on the 130 last and yes - part linen/part leather lined.... the horror, the horror [​IMG]

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    Regards,

    Graham
     
  14. gnatty8

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    I find the whole "Church's has gone to hell once Prada bought them" mentality amusing.

    I picture the conspiracy theories unfolding along these lines:

    A group of Italians step off the train in all their slick haired, skinny-legged black suited glory. They carry with them "the orders" including that most despised of orders designed to execute their grand plan of alienating 99% of the core consumers of the brand by switching to corrected grain skins imported from India. Why would they do this? Of course, the $25 per shoe they save in materials costs will most certainly offset the revenue loss from chasing away the core audience for the shoe, and best of all, demonstrate the triumph of the Italian aesthetic over the stuffy English shoe business. Muuahhahahaa, we win English pig dogs!!!


    Silly, silly stuff. Same people would never drive a Jaguar after Ford purchased the company, or wear an Omega since it was owned by, gasp, Swatch!!
     
  15. bengal-stripe

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    The current collection has lots of classic designs (like "˜Grafton' or "˜Burwood') made up in high-shine leathers in all colours of the rainbow.
    The London stores are heavily stocked with them. I wonder, how they will sell.

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    To me, they look like boiled sweets.


    Church "Sheldon" Cape Butts (dark brown) suede on the 130 last

    Are you sure that they are "˜Cape buck' (an African antelope) and marked as such? (They were always marked it as 'Genuine Cape Buck'.)
    Cape buck, with it's very short nap, used to be the crowning glory of the Church's collection.

    But they haven't used it in years, using instead ordinary suede from calf or goat.
     
  16. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Senior member

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    Are you sure that they are "˜Cape buck' (an African antelope) and marked as such? (They were always marked it as 'Genuine Cape Buck'.)
    Cape buck, with it's very short nap, used to be the crowning glory of the Church's collection.

    But they haven't used it in years, using instead ordinary suede from calf or goat.



    Hi,

    The ticket on the box says :

    Material: Cape Butts

    Indeed it is a very short nap - but there is nothing to suggest it is anything other than calf suede.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  17. DocHolliday

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    The current collection has lots of classic designs (like ‘Grafton’ or ‘Burwood’) made up in high-shine leathers in all colours of the rainbow. The London stores are heavily stocked with them. I wonder, how they will sell. [​IMG] To me, they look like boiled sweets.
    The shoes at the far left and upper right, in particular, look garish, and remind me of those CG shoes from the '70s that looked to have been spray painted.
     
  18. Christofuh

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    Whenever I hear "Prada" I'm reminded of quality and workmanship [​IMG]
     
  19. well-kept

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    Cape "Butts"??? Are you sure?
     
  20. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Senior member

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    Cape "Butts"??? Are you sure?

    Yes.

    Complete ticket reads:

    Name: Sheldon 042507
    Style No: 7864/29
    Colour: Brown
    Material: Cape Butts Sole:leather

    Regards,

    Graham
     

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