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Chinese Cayenne

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Christofuh, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. sonlegoman

    sonlegoman Senior member

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    How do these guys not get in trouble for IP infringement?
    I remember watching a TED talk about industries that have no or little IP protection. The car industry is one of them when it comes to design. The clothing industry is also like that. With these types of industries, they try to protect the trademark or copyright so that copycats can't market it under their name. There was also a great article in NY Times that talked about the economics of copying entire cars and they postulated that because of the low margin of profit from these copycat cars, and how fast these cars were coming out after the originals that they could safely conclude that the govt was funding the programs.
     
  2. Mr.Pinchy

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    http://wn.com/Chery_Amulet_crash-test

    I was hoping that at the end... after a long pause... when it's quiet... the crash test dummy head falls off and hits the floor.
     
  3. HORNS

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    I was hoping that at the end... after a long pause... when it's quiet... the crash test dummy head falls off and hits the floor.

    Or that it's a Chinese political prisoner with markings taped all over them.
     
  4. brown eyes

    brown eyes Senior member

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    60 years ago when Japan started importing cars into the United States, they were considered pieces of sh*t.

    20 years ago when Korea started importing cars into the United States, they were considered pieces of sh*t.

    Look at them now.

    Give the Chinese a few years, they'll catch up. The same goes for the Indians.
     
  5. Monaco

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    60 years ago when Japan started importing cars into the United States, they were considered pieces of sh*t.

    20 years ago when Korea started importing cars into the United States, they were considered pieces of sh*t.

    Look at them now.

    Give the Chinese a few years, they'll catch up. The same goes for the Indians.


    Finally a guy who makes some sense in this thread. I feel that a majority of hostility against the Chinese is fear of the potential and capabilities of the Chinese.
     
  6. arirang

    arirang Well-Known Member

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    ^ Maybe in 20 years I'll be driving a quality Chinese car and liking it, but I feel sorry for anyone unwittingly driving a Chinese-made death trap on wheels today.
     
  7. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    I feel that a majority of hostility against the Chinese is fear of the potential and capabilities of the Chinese.

    Were they handing out special pins @ the Glory to China rally you just came back from ? [​IMG]
    Car makers in Japan who've been @ it for over 50 years, to this day haven't quite figured out the art of suspension tuning.
     
  8. Journeyman

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    Were they handing out special pins @ the Glory to China rally you just came back from ? [​IMG]
    Car makers in Japan who've been @ it for over 50 years, to this day haven't quite figured out the art of suspension tuning.


    [​IMG]

    Mazda MX-5?
    Nissan GT-R?
    And a whole heap of other cars that handle damn well - much better than most of the products churned out by the US car companies.
     
  9. Duff_Man

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    The Chinese government protects their own. Its known that if you try to get anybody in court over there, you're pissing money away.
    There is, however, a very vibrant market amongst security/risk management firms in IP security. One way or another, if you really want IP violations stopped. You can get them stopped.
     
  10. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    [​IMG]

    Mazda MX-5?
    Nissan GT-R?
    And a whole heap of other cars that handle damn well - much better than most of the products churned out by the US car companies.



    The handling aspect they've more or less gotten a grip on. What they struggle @ is combining firm, sporty handling with comfy ride. More so when the patch of rubber separating wheel from pavement gets thinner and thinner.
     
  11. maomao1980

    maomao1980 Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The handling aspect they've more or less gotten a grip on. What they struggle @ is combining firm, sporty handling with comfy ride. More so when the patch of rubber separating wheel from pavement gets thinner and thinner.

    this is as gold as some of the comments that gets posted on MC. The Japanese literally taught the Europeans how to combine sporty handling with drivability.
     
  12. Blackhood

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    Because Jaguar, Aston Martin and Bently didn't have that nailed in the 60's.
     
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    maomao1980 Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Because Jaguar, Aston Martin and Bently didn't have that nailed in the 60's.

    how far back do you want to trace to make your argument? Since the Europeans invented automobile as we know it, I won't have a counter argument for you, so please accept your victory.
     
  14. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    this is as gold as some of the comments that gets posted on MC. The Japanese literally taught the Europeans how to combine sporty handling with drivability.

    Was that before they introduced Europeans to the concept of eating with a fork or after ?
     
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    Was that before they introduced Europeans to the concept of eating with a fork or after ?
    You kid, but weren't table forks used in China during the bronze age? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_inventions#F
     
  16. Mr.Pinchy

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    60 years ago when Japan started importing cars into the United States, they were considered pieces of sh*t.

    20 years ago when Korea started importing cars into the United States, they were considered pieces of sh*t.

    Look at them now.

    Give the Chinese a few years, they'll catch up. The same goes for the Indians.


    Chinese won't ever get where the Koreans and Japs are because the government is too involved in industry. It's like GM now. Plus the requirement that all foreign automakers enter into "joint ventures" with State-owned manufacturers means that the Chinese will never be able to think for themselves to make something interesting.

    You will sooner see an auto industry come out of Taiwan than China.
     
  17. Aaron

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    Chinese won't ever get where the Koreans and Japs are because the government is too involved in industry. It's like GM now. Plus the requirement that all foreign automakers enter into "joint ventures" with State-owned manufacturers means that the Chinese will never be able to think for themselves to make something interesting.

    You will sooner see an auto industry come out of Taiwan than China.

    The Chinese auto industry is in its infancy. However, it is startlingly large and advanced for how long it's been around.

    The Taiwanese won't ever have an auto industry producing whole cars. To my knowledge, it's not part of any infrastructure planning the government does or something any large Taiwanese business could have competitive strength in.
     
  18. Ace Rimmer

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    Give the Chinese a few years, they'll catch up. The same goes for the Indians.

    I don't quite recall Toyota or Kia ripping off the designs of other carmakers during their road to quality.

    China may eventually build a quality car, but at the current time they're not exactly seen as building anything of lasting value in the auto industry. A buddy of mine is on assignment in China and his company makes car parts. He drives a Buick Lacrosse and I suspect it's because being in the industry, he knows the lay of the land and consequently he has very little confidence in the quality of the Chinese autos. They might improve in the future but for now he sees them as unsafe deathtraps (his words, not mine).

    N.B. He's even started to drive like a native born Chinese, which is pretty damn scary. [​IMG]
     
  19. Pantisocrat

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    The world needs cheap reliable 4 wheel transportations. For anyone here who has been to Asia, Middle East, Africa, and Latin America, people still use bicycles and mopeds. The only 4 wheelers are for industries (moving wood, grain, construction materials). If the Chinese can make a cheap, highly reliable solar powered vehicle in the next 10 years, they will fill these markets quickly, allowing fresh capital to reinvest in R & D to compete against Western makers for the North American and European markets. No one needs a Bentley or Lambo but just about everyone needs a basic car. European manufacturing relies so much on "pedigree" that they stop inventing. All of the recent tech. innovations in just about every industry come out of Japan and USA. Crash safety is really a luxury consideration for the market that these Chinese cars are intended for. Many of the world's roads aren't made to go 60mph so crashing in a Chinese car at 15mph will not be all that bad. As for IP infringements, give me a frigging break. These cars are not made to be "alternatives" to certain makers. You can't blame them for commercializing a dream. And believe it or not, all of the "Chinese rip-offs" are designed by Europeans to import it back to the home market for big bags of $$$.
     
  20. sylax

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    You should tell to your friend that most of the cars in China are built in China. American and European brands included. He drives a deathtrap as the others do ...
     

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