Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by oldskool, May 17, 2005.
Ah, but you forgot the Cubbies and the Blackhawks, novalis.
Horween Leather, Optimo Hats, stuffed pizza, the White Sox, Radio Flyer
Hehe, I see we have other Chicagoans on the forum. Â Let me add then: (7) Highest differential between storied ballpark past and recent team success: Â Wrigley Field and Chicago Cubs Â (8) Sole source of cordovan leather: Â Horween Leather
Um... I'm guessing that you are a graduate of the University of Chicago... Have you ever visited Haverford or Swarthmore colleges (both in PA)? Either makes 'intellectual' seem like a comical descriptive understatement. And now that I'm writing... What about NYC hot dogs, often also called the best. Best restaurant in America? Righto... I wonder whether a week of dining in the best restaurants NYC has to offer (Per Se, for example, which is the sister restaurant of the regularly and famously referenced best in America, French Laundry in CA) would change your mind. I think so. Well, I'm tired, as the minute hand swings toward three a.m. now, but I think the above might give cause at least to consider revision to such strongly phrased sentiment.
Well, in order to deflect potentially hundreds of irate posts by alumni of Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, etc., let me repeat that my list is obviously subjective for the most part. Â Please do not take offense if your own alma mater, favorite restaurant or baseball team fails to make my list. Â By all means, they should be in your own list of favorites. Â The fact they do not make mine, however, should not be cause for undue outrage, distress or alarm.
Actually, whether I attended U of C is irrelevant. But since you asked, let me provide some justification for choosing U of C: The University of Chicago is a private co-educational university located in Chicago, Illinois. Just over a century old, it includes a number of academic units of prominent stature. It is highly regarded as a teaching institution and one of the most prestigious universities in the world; the last National Research Council peer review ranked the University of Chicago at the top in the list for both faculty quality and teaching. John Podhoretz, an alumnus, has said that "The University of Chicago is the most intellectual and bookish of American schools." Called the "teacher of teachers", academia is the most popular career choice for its graduates, with one in seven taking an academic appointment (a rate matched by no other University). Scholars affiliated with Chicago have obtained a total of: 78 Nobel Prizes (the most by any institution in the world except the University of Cambridge), 26 MacArthur Fellowships (or "genius grants"), 220 Guggenheim Fellowships, 17 John Bates Clark Medals, 12 Pulitzer Prizes, 3 National Medals of the Arts, 11 National Humanities Medals / Charles Frankel Prizes, 13 National Medals of Science, and an Abel Prize. Chicago undergraduates in the past five years have won: five Rhodes, four Marshall, three Truman, three Churchill and two Gates Cambridge Scholarships. Moreover, in 2004, for the 18th consecutive year, University students won more Fulbright-Hays fellowships than any U.S. educational institution, with 23 students (68 percent of applicants) receiving awards. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago
Chicago is where people study when they're actually interested in learning. Â Those who want to take it easy attend the Ivy League. Â Plus, Chicago had Saul Bellow.
edit: let me qualify: its undergraduate curriculum is probably the most rigorous in the country, all around.
Every time an American opens his yap, he's gotta say what's the best, the tallest, the biggest, the oldest, la, la, la...my daddy is tougher than your daddy...
You wan't to stand in some fries?
As a New Englander (with no vested interest in Chicago one way or another), I always find the reaction of Manhattanites particularly amusing whenever you try to tell them that there is "something" in some other part of the world that might be better than the comparable "something" in NYC. It ranges from a reaction of indignation to one of quizzical disbelief and, ultimately, to one of dismissal.
I grew up in Chicago (well, Oak Park, so close enough), and it is certainly a wonderful city, but it's just not New York. New York is a global magnet in nearly every sphere (arts & culture, business, government) while Chicago, a regional powerhouse, king of the midwest, and a vital part of America, doesn't have that kind of pull.
Style-wise, I think New Yorkers have considerably more panache, though they do tend to err on the ridiculous while slavishly following trends.
I've never been to Chicago, but I hear great things. However, I do know:
1 - The hot dogs at Katz's are freakin awesome.
2 - Favorite restaurant? Sure. Best? Debatable.
3 - I think you recognize that the academic remark was kind of silly.
4 - New York is more than an American city. It is an international city - like London or Hong Kong. Some people call it the capital of the world: given the influence it has on business, art and culture, I can't say I'd disagree. I'm not sure any of that can be said about Chicago.
Unfortunately, the hipsters who now run the University of Chicago are busy turning it into a copy of every other prestigious American University, and slavishly copying every lame-brain up-to-the-minute trend. Â Sad, sad, sad.
I know it's not the place, and I have no intentions of hijacking the thread, but can you elaborate ( or just give some references)
I have to disagree strongly. Take the undergraduate curriculum at either Swarthmore or Haverford, the caliber of intellect engaged in that curriculum and/or the ratio of Rhodes and Truman scholars to student body and you would clearly be shocked.
Neither of these two colleges is Ivy League; they are in fact superior to nearly every Ivy school.
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