I completely agree. wow do you crush beer cans on your forehead and ejaculate all over your girlfriend's face afterwards? I'm by no means a feminist but this whole idea of the ultra macho bachelor party is so pathetic. Here in montreal you see these 30 somethings totally wasted by 12, puking on the sidewalks and getting their asses beaten by bouncers as they head back to the holiday inn to meet up with whatever whores they booked for the night. Besides Vegas, Montreal has got to be bachelor party central for Americans, and it is almost always just what I said, pathetic. It's clear to me that a lot of these guys never really party that much, so they try to recreate whatever they've seen in movies and end up exposing themselves as pretty big rookies. I think getting together with your friends is really cool, get wasted, get a bunch of strippers/whores for your friends if that's what's up... but cheating on the woman you love before you marry her (which implies that you believe in monogamy and embrace certain traditional values), makes no sense on a philosophical level. If you have an open relationship and your girl is cool like that, then that's great. I'm sure swinging is a lot of fun, but if your whole thing is the white picket fence, mini van and the golden retriever, I think the idea of the overwraught bachelor party is really lame. PS. About looking, I totally agree. My assumption here is actual sexual acts, not just a peep show. If that's all it is, then I don't really care. Seeing another naked woman isn't that big a deal, but sex is if you're doing the whole marriage thing.