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Charles Tyrwhitt opinions

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by miketcooper, May 29, 2011.

  1. kasakka

    kasakka Senior member

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    Has any one tried their suits (espec. the Black label range)? Critique?
    After a shitload of hassle (sending wrong size back, they sending a 40S labeled 40L, sending that back and finally getting the 40L that is actually 40L) I've finally received the grey Prince of Wales Black label suit. Got the whole three piece. Button quality is again suspect, the cuff buttons (working buttons by the way so best to get the right sleeve length from the start) look scratched and one of them has what I can best describe as something reminiscent of dried super glue. I'll have to see if it comes off. The waistcoat on the other hand has no such issues and neither did the two jackets I had previously. Overall the stitching on this jacket isn't the best, especially around the buttoniere (sloppy) and cuffs (some frayed string ends). Might be just whoever made this having a bad day, honestly I didn't inspect the other jackets I had this carefully since I was more concerned with size. Overall the suit jacket has some nice details like a multicolour flap on the pockets. It's worth mentioning that like the suit's lining, the waistcoat back is also pink which IMO isn't an ideal color to go with grey. I really like the styling of the waistcoat, would be nice to see lapels come back to them. It says tailored fit but as I mentioned before, their tailored fit is still nowhere near slim. I think it could be easily 1-2 inches slimmer at the waist and the same is true with the waistcoat. The trousers are perfect though. If you are normal weight (meaning not fit but don't have a gut either) I wouldn't bother with anything that says "classic fit" from CT. If you happen to be skinny or athletic build then I'd look elsewhere altogether. PS. If the non-English shoes are made by Loake they're probably made in India like the Loake Gunnys I have. To be honest I don't notice much of a difference in quality between the afore-mentioned Loakes and my Barker Wallaces.
     
  2. JGloger

    JGloger Senior member

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  3. Geoff Gander

    Geoff Gander Senior member

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    I've got about 15 CT shirts and wear them regularly. Compared to Lewin (which I also wear) I find CT shirts are more conservatively patterned, and based on the appearance of the models the line seems aimed at the above-30 crowd. But many of their patterns are unavailable in conventional stores, so it's good enough for me. I always bought on the multi-buys, and for about $50/shirt you can't go wrong, as others have said. I like their casual shrits because they have combinations that I've never seen before locally (like silk/linen).

    I've never tried their shoes, but the calf ones are the only ones made in the UK, and at that they are either Loake or Barker. Certainly not bad quality-wise (and if you're in North America you'll be better shod than about 90% of the men out there), but if you buy the equivalent model from Loake or Barker you'll pay less.

    I have one of their suits (3-piece) and their 42R fits me perfectly. The suit hangs well and is comfortable, so I can't complain. Lewin suits seem a bit more form-fitting (and flattering) before alterations. I also have a CT covert coat - awesome, it's my go-to in fall.
     
  4. Beatlegeuse

    Beatlegeuse Senior member

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    I used to buy CT all the time pre-SF, and I stopped because the shirts were extremely baggy on me. I started getting online budget MTM shirts that fit much better, however I don't think the fabric quality is as good as what I had on my old CT shirts.

    Later on, I realized that my CT shirts were too big because I was wearing the wrong size. For style n00bs, don't rely on what a sales associate says you should wear...in the mid-town store in NYC, they measured my neck to be 16.5, when in fact it should be 15.5. Since I didn't know anything about proper fit, I just bought what they told me, and ended up wearing shirts that were way too big for a couple years.

    Now that I know my size and have dialed in each measurement after having all my MTM shirts made, I'm giving the CT tailored fit a try. I checked the tailored fit measurements for a 15.5 neck on CT's website, and they're actually pretty close to the measurements for my MTM shirts. The only problem might be that CT only offers a 15.5/35 as the longest sleeve length for that neck size. I may need a 15.5/36.

    I just placed an order for some 15.5/35 tailored fit shirts, so if the sleeve length is too short, then I guess I'll have to return them and try somewhere else for a well-fitting OTR shirt. If the sleeves are long enough, then I'll have some very nice and well-fitting shirts for the price!
     
  5. bourbonbasted

    bourbonbasted Senior member

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    I purchased a blue staple sport coat from them this winter. Initially I was looking for a beater coat that I could wear both to the office and out afterward (which tends to get a bit messy). Given the fact that the jacket was going to be a beater and that I had just graduated from school and had limited funds, I decided $200 was good enough. I will say (aside from a few small alterations) the jacket fit great out of the box. Shoulders fit very well and the working button sleeves fit perfectly (thank god). Only issue that I had was that it was purported to be 100% cotton on the site. Living in the South, winters are mild so I wasn't in need of anything heavy. I was a bit disappointed to find that the jacket was more of a brushed cotton and very heavy. In certain lighting it can even appear to be corduroy, which I was disappointingly informed of by a young lady one night out. While the jacket fit well I would definitely do some investigating into what the fabric is actually like. While this is always an issue ordering online, I'd check around for reviews or even email CT directly, lest you have a young lady thinking you are (gasp) wearing corduroy.
     
  6. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    i bought their "rolls royce" top of the line shirt. not worth the money by a long shot. nice silky feel but very thin fabric that wrinkles when you breath on it. the lesser priced shirts would most likely be good workhorse shirts. i also found their customer service to be excellent. they went beyond the call of duty for me.
     
  7. thinman

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    I used to buy CT all the time pre-SF, and I stopped because the shirts were extremely baggy on me. I started getting online budget MTM shirts that fit much better, however I don't think the fabric quality is as good as what I had on my old CT shirts.

    Later on, I realized that my CT shirts were too big because I was wearing the wrong size. For style n00bs, don't rely on what a sales associate says you should wear...in the mid-town store in NYC, they measured my neck to be 16.5, when in fact it should be 15.5. Since I didn't know anything about proper fit, I just bought what they told me, and ended up wearing shirts that were way too big for a couple years.

    Now that I know my size and have dialed in each measurement after having all my MTM shirts made, I'm giving the CT tailored fit a try. I checked the tailored fit measurements for a 15.5 neck on CT's website, and they're actually pretty close to the measurements for my MTM shirts. The only problem might be that CT only offers a 15.5/35 as the longest sleeve length for that neck size. I may need a 15.5/36.

    I just placed an order for some 15.5/35 tailored fit shirts, so if the sleeve length is too short, then I guess I'll have to return them and try somewhere else for a well-fitting OTR shirt. If the sleeves are long enough, then I'll have some very nice and well-fitting shirts for the price!


    CT offers 37" sleeves in a 15.5"neck size and, for an additional $11.95, you can have the sleeves shortened in 1/2" increments. I have a 15.5/36.5 shirt on the way as a test. So you CAN get 15.5/36 shirts from CT for an up-charge of $11.95.
     
  8. arvidg

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    Just to chime in, I'm happy with my CT shirts.

    (I buy classic fit, a.k.a. tents, to accomodate my stomach, but that's another story.)
     
  9. Beatlegeuse

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    CT offers 37" sleeves in a 15.5"neck size and, for an additional $11.95, you can have the sleeves shortened in 1/2" increments. I have a 15.5/36.5 shirt on the way as a test. So you CAN get 15.5/36 shirts from CT for an up-charge of $11.95.

    Which fit did you get on your shirt? I checked Classic and Slim, and they both have 15.5/36 as an option, but Tailored fit only went up to 15.5/35....if I wanted a custom sleeve length, they could only do shorter, not longer.

    The only Tailored fit shirts that had a 15.5/37 sleeve length was their Black Label, but I wasn't about to shell out $115 for one of those when I could get basically 3 standard Tailored fit shirts for the same price.
     
  10. B1FF

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    I used to buy CT all the time pre-SF, and I stopped because the shirts were extremely baggy on me. I started getting online budget MTM shirts that fit much better, however I don't think the fabric quality is as good as what I had on my old CT shirts.

    Now that I know my size and have dialed in each measurement after having all my MTM shirts made, I'm giving the CT tailored fit a try.


    I just bought CT tailored fit shirts for the first time. I wanted some cheap white shirts and thought these sounded like a good deal.

    Even the tailored fit (slimmer than their slim line) are pretty huge, especially around the arms.

    Worse, the collar is at about half an inch larger than the marked size. I'm left hoping that there is quite a bit of shrinking after the first wash.
     
  11. kasakka

    kasakka Senior member

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    Worse, the collar is at about half an inch larger than the marked size. I'm left hoping that there is quite a bit of shrinking after the first wash.
    I would recommend sending them back and getting one size smaller. That's what I did and the slim and tailored fit are then fairly decent, though still not truly form fitting or anything. Thinking of sending back the whole Black Label suit I got. It would require alterations at the waist and the shoulders seem a bit wide for me, plus the quality problems I mentioned in an earlier post. Maybe I should've gone even smaller for a correct fit but then the sleeves would've probably been too short.
     
  12. brokencycle

    brokencycle Senior member

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    I have 4 CT shirts that I just purchased. I also have a cashmere scarf and a tie. The scarf seems to be great quality and is made in Scotland.

    I bought the 4 shirts just recently, and the price and fit are great. The quality seems to be there, but I can't comment on durability. My biggest complaint for CT shirts is they don't have a gauntlet button (or at least not on the ones I bought) and their slim fit shirts shorten the tail a bit. I really like their new cutaway collars.
     
  13. Journeyman

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    I have 4 CT shirts that I just purchased. I also have a cashmere scarf and a tie. The scarf seems to be great quality and is made in Scotland.

    I bought the 4 shirts just recently, and the price and fit are great. The quality seems to be there, but I can't comment on durability. My biggest complaint for CT shirts is they don't have a gauntlet button (or at least not on the ones I bought) and their slim fit shirts shorten the tail a bit. I really like their new cutaway collars.



    The lack of a gauntlet button is very common on English shirts. I have (or have had) shirts from CT, Harvie and Hudson, Hilditch and Key, New and Lingwood and maybe one or two others that I've forgotten about, and none of them had gauntlet buttons.
     
  14. arvidg

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    The lack of a gauntlet button is very common on English shirts. I have (or have had) shirts from CT, Harvie and Hudson, Hilditch and Key, New and Lingwood and maybe one or two others that I've forgotten about, and none of them had gauntlet buttons.

    Actually, one (1) of my TMLewin shirts has a gauntlet button. It's a slim fit shirt I ordered by mistake.

    I don't know if CT slim fit shirts have them, as I don't usually order slim fit. (I might now that I've lost a few kgs, though.)
     
  15. bjornb17

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    Actually, one (1) of my TMLewin shirts has a gauntlet button. It's a slim fit shirt I ordered by mistake.

    I don't know if CT slim fit shirts have them, as I don't usually order slim fit. (I might now that I've lost a few kgs, though.)


    I have about 15-20 slim fit shirts... none have gauntlet buttons, although I am indifferent to them anyway.
     
  16. nicedream

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    The lack of a gauntlet button is very common on English shirts. I have (or have had) shirts from CT, Harvie and Hudson, Hilditch and Key, New and Lingwood and maybe one or two others that I've forgotten about, and none of them had gauntlet buttons.

    Yes, I've noticed this too. The British shirtmakers just do not have gauntlet (sleeve placket) buttons.

    On CT shirts this doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I usually buy their single (non-French) cuffs, and they have two buttons sewn on. This prevents the sleeve from pivoting, and keeps the placket closed.
     
  17. raphaelargus

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    Worse, the collar is at about half an inch larger than the marked size. I'm left hoping that there is quite a bit of shrinking after the first wash.

    I've had the opposite problem. Either the collars are already too small pre-wash, or if they are not they certainly shrink heavily after washing. (I have owned about 15-20 CT shirts in total.)

    My actual, measured neck size is 15.0", but I usually just buy 15.5" from most brands to get a still comfortable but snug enough fit. The CT shirts I have in 15.0 are literally at least 0.5 to 1.0" too small to even attempt to button, and the 15.5" shirts would literally choke me if I tried to wear it buttoned.

    I would say that CT shirt collars are, post-wash, about 0.5" smaller than the stated collar size in comparison to a Brooks Brothers shirt of the same size.
     
  18. IsteRed

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    Ordered a few shirts,jacket and a tie from them a few days ago.Never bought from them before,will comment on quality later. BTW I was thinking about this coat from them,i think it'll be a good coat for that price,also is it considered winter coat or more for fall season? And also this suit,pink lining+waistcoat lapels is awesome in my opinion.
     
  19. Curbed Enthusiasm

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    Good advice there. Thanks.

    To the second (and third) part of my question:

    Has any one tried their suits (espec. the Black label range)? Critique?

    And they have shoes that are stated as UK made (Loake I'm assuming) but am I safe to assume that those shoes where country of origin is not mentioned (their entire standard range pretty much), are not UK in origin? They employ interesting tactics in hiding the "made in" on the sole with the other shoe in the photos.


    I own two Black Label suits. I bought them in late 2008/early 2009 and have been moderately satisfied. On the pro side, they sell 38L suits, are half-canvassed (at least the Black Labels are), and have nice touches like working button cuffs and horn buttons. They also have held up well with regular wear. However, my two suits ended up being a lighter shade than the online photos, and I disliked the wool/mohair blend used (though it looks like CT is only selling 100% wool now - fortunately). Also, on both orders, my 34" slacks measured at 33" - thus requiring extra tailoring that I did not expect. I will also note that CT has excellent customer service over the phone.
     
  20. thinman

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    Which fit did you get on your shirt? I checked Classic and Slim, and they both have 15.5/36 as an option, but Tailored fit only went up to 15.5/35....if I wanted a custom sleeve length, they could only do shorter, not longer.

    The only Tailored fit shirts that had a 15.5/37 sleeve length was their Black Label, but I wasn't about to shell out $115 for one of those when I could get basically 3 standard Tailored fit shirts for the same price.


    I bought slim fit, but I just checked their classic fit white shirts and 37" sleeves was an option for both slim and classic (just also checked tailored fit and 37" is not an option. Strange).

    I've had the opposite problem. Either the collars are already too small pre-wash, or if they are not they certainly shrink heavily after washing. (I have owned about 15-20 CT shirts in total.)

    My actual, measured neck size is 15.0", but I usually just buy 15.5" from most brands to get a still comfortable but snug enough fit. The CT shirts I have in 15.0 are literally at least 0.5 to 1.0" too small to even attempt to button, and the 15.5" shirts would literally choke me if I tried to wear it buttoned.

    I would say that CT shirt collars are, post-wash, about 0.5" smaller than the stated collar size in comparison to a Brooks Brothers shirt of the same size.


    I agree that CT sizing is small, but for me that's a good thing, since I'm a slender guy.

    I bought one CT shirt in my usual 15" neck size and the neck was a little tight, but the shoulders were also narrower than any other brand I've bought. I next sized up to 15.5" and the fit is much better.
     

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