If you are serious, you need to lay off the crack pipe. I don't give two shits about my knots. If you are joking, I second the joke. Later, Mike This will be the first time I'm expressing an opinion in a post, so here goes. I feel like there is a lot of backlash against the whole idea of shoelace knot criticism, but that reaction confuses me. There are all kinds of tiny nuances that people discuss on this forum: pant cuff size, monogram placement, space between jacket cuff buttons, extremely minute differences in materials, etc., all of which are legitimate topics of discussion, and really the essence of this forum. To paraphrase Manton, in the grand scheme of life these details are practically inconsequential, but in the context of the discussion they are worthy topics. I suspect that part of the reason for the strong reaction to the shoelace knot comment is that the original post regarding knots implied a "right" or "wrong" way to tie a knot, and as with many of these topics, there is not necessarily a right or wrong way. But does that mean this specific nuance of style should be completely off the table for discussion? Maybe it's not a traditional topic of men's style, but it seems to me that some knots look more elegant, and since I've started tying square knots, my shoes stayed tied longer. Edit: It's also possible that I'm still too much of a n00b to catch that this conversation is not as sincere as I'm taking it to be.