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Cashmere - The Sceptical Shopper

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by barcol, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. benjamin831

    benjamin831 Senior member

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    Why not? I clearly worked on you...

    If it weren't for SF, you might still be reveling in RLPL cashmere fluff, thinking that its worth every penny.
     
  2. furo

    furo Senior member

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    Why not? I clearly worked on you...

    If it weren't for SF, you might still be reveling in RLPL cashmere fluff, thinking that its worth every penny.


    If it weren't for SF, I wouldn't own any RLPL to begin with.
     
  3. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    If it weren't for SF, I wouldn't own any RLPL to begin with.
    And now you've got so much you're able to sell a shitload of it in your sig!! What a country!!! In Soviet Styleforvm, Ralph Lauren sells you!!
     
  4. furo

    furo Senior member

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    I wouldn't have any RLPL if I didn't sell some to pay for it

    But I suspect that's the case for many here like me who cannot regularly afford such items (even on sale)

    Not sure how any of this ties into Soviet doctrine
     
  5. Tomasso

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    I have some sublime stuff by Alan Paine for N.Peale, from back in the day when the £/$ rate was prit' near even. [​IMG]
     
  6. JayJay

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    Nope, not exaggerating.

    What I find hard to believe is that Ralph Lauren would put an inferior product, from their premier label, on the shelves of its stores knowing full well that this flaw is so easily identifiable, as is the case with the shedding problem I'm referring to. This particular cable knit cashmere sweater has been out for well over a year now.

    It would put a major ding in the reputation of the Purple Label line to have such an obvious flaw imo, especially given the intial price point of $900.

    With that said, I am truly hoping the shedding problem goes away, because if it doesn't, and I do end up returning it, I will definitely be disappointed, given that RLPL has such high standards from every other product I've seen (and I've handled a lot of it).

    I tried on a cable knit cashmere RL sweater yesterday. It was in my typical size but all the elasticity in the hem was gone and it did not hang well. I was disappointed because I had been looking for this particular sweater all season, but unfortunately, the quality of it was too poor for its $475.00 price tag.
     
  7. furo

    furo Senior member

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    I tried on a cable knit cashmere RL sweater yesterday. It was in my typical size but all the elasticity in the hem was gone and it did not hang well. I was disappointed because I had been looking for this particular sweater all season, but unfortunately, the quality of it was too poor for its $475.00 price tag.

    Was that a RLPL sweater on sale? Or blue label? I haven't tried any of the blue label ones but even at $475 that's too high for me
     
  8. AThingForCashmere

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    Nope, not exaggerating.

    What I find hard to believe is that Ralph Lauren would put an inferior product, from their premier label, on the shelves of its stores knowing full well that this flaw is so easily identifiable, as is the case with the shedding problem I'm referring to. This particular cable knit cashmere sweater has been out for well over a year now.

    It would put a major ding in the reputation of the Purple Label line to have such an obvious flaw imo, especially given the intial price point of $900.

    With that said, I am truly hoping the shedding problem goes away, because if it doesn't, and I do end up returning it, I will definitely be disappointed, given that RLPL has such high standards from every other product I've seen (and I've handled a lot of it).


    When China began limiting its exports of raw cashmere fiber and producing their own yarns in the 1990's, it caused a glut of cheap yarn and finished cashmere garments in the market, and caused prices to plummet. Meanwhile, Scottish manufacturers saw their fiber supplies dry up or disappear altogether. I'm sorry to see these manufacturers reacting the way they are to the new reality: instead of lowering their quality they should have simply raised their prices, and allow the market to separate naturally into people who want long-term durability and are willing to pay for it, and those who're just interested in low price and a soft feel, and don't care about durability.

    Italian manufacturers seem to be taking this latter approach, and so far have fared the Chinese storm much better than their Scottish counterparts. Loro Piana recently opened a fiber processing facility in Mongolia, Cucinelli and others are sticking to their traditional minimum quality specs for fiber, etc. I think the current best advice is to stick with these higher-end Italian labels until the Scottish industry hopefully adjusts to producing much lower volumes with traditional quality, instead of lowering their quality in a futile attempt to compete with the Chinese, and inevitably going out of business altogether.
     
  9. aj_del

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    Cucinelli and others are sticking to their traditional minimum quality specs for fiber, etc.

    Could you elaborate a little as to your opinion of Cucinelli as it seems to be the gold standard on SF
     
  10. justsayno

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  11. AThingForCashmere

    AThingForCashmere Senior member

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    Could you elaborate a little as to your opinion of Cucinelli as it seems to be the gold standard on SF

    The last several Cucinellis I've seen or owned in recent years have been excellent, but in the Italian style: a very soft hand, slightly looser knit than Scottish cashmere, and excellent quality fiber (i.e. no shedding or pilling problems). The sweaters don't last a lifetime like traditional Scottish cashmeres, but you can easily get 5-10 years out of them without signs of wear.

    A few Italian houses (Borrelli, Biagiotti etc) produce cashmere sweaters on an occasional basis, and when they do the sweaters are also top-notch.
     
  12. Trompe le Monde

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    next time im shopping for clothing ill inquire where the water used for material processing was sourced
     
  13. furo

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    next time im shopping for clothing ill inquire where the water used for material processing was sourced

    The SAs will love that one
     
  14. Mountains

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    next time im shopping for clothing ill inquire where the water used for material processing was sourced

    [​IMG]
     
  15. AThingForCashmere

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    next time im shopping for clothing ill inquire where the water used for material processing was sourced

    It makes a difference, which undoubtedly would be lost on you.
     
  16. CunningSmeagol

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    It makes a difference, which undoubtedly would be lost on you.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Nicola

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    I wonder what the brew masters in the US that manage to make the same crap in plants across the world think of being told water can't be adjusted.
     
  18. andreyb2

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    That's a question I wish someone could credibly answer. We're down to a handful of Scottish companies who're still in business, and nearly all of them have moved to Chinese yarns. The current story is that Johnston's of Elgin is the last fully vertical mill in Scotland, meaning they process from raw fiber all the way to finished garments, but the last several Johnstons sweaters I've seen have been clearly thinner and inferior to their former product.

    I vaguely remember that in one thread RJ mentioned several Scottish brands that still feature densely woven cashmere. Only William Lockie name stuck in my head, though.

    Andrey
     
  19. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    the quality of the water is an issue in finishing.
    I was told that cotton shirting fabric was sent from manchester to scotland for finishing. the quality of the water changed once oilwas drilled in the north sea. Now don't ask me how the quality of the water was changed, but i was told it did effect the finished product.
     
  20. apropos

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    the quality of the water is an issue in finishing. I was told that cotton shirting fabric was sent from manchester to scotland for finishing. the quality of the water changed once oilwas drilled in the north sea. Now don't ask me how the quality of the water was changed, but i was told it did effect the finished product.
    So... Fresh Scottish groundwater was changed for the worse when oil was drilled hundreds of miles offshore in the middle of the North Sea. Um. [​IMG]
     

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