Cars We Drive!

[Thrift Vader]

Would prefer a Z4. Handsome cars.
And if the Fupra was badged as a BMW Z4 coupe?
Because it really is a cool car. just not a Toyota.

 

[clee1982]

is this accurate? almost 6,000 (looks like this US figure only)

Toyota Supra Sales Figures

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics

carsalesbase.com

Z4 in same time frame, less than half (also US figure, but yea it's a convertible expect less anyway)

BMW Z4 Sales Figures

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics

carsalesbase.com

probably would be able to dig out how many they wanted to sale but too lazy...

 

[Thrift Vader]

8,771 over 2 years? Seems not too bad.
Here is an article that says it's the 5th best selling sports car in the US
https://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-analysis-2021-first-half-sports-cars/
huh. Well i'll be dipped. . .
I don't see any. more likely to see an Italian sports car. Or a GT-R.Or anything else really.

But back to the topic, the NSX sales figures:

Acura NSX Sales Figures

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics

carsalesbase.com

128 in 2020. I'm not sure that's enough to keep the car going. So that could be why they are canning it.

 

[clee1982]

I definitely see a ton of Challenger and Camaro, not a lot Mustang actually, maybe it's a regional thing?

edit: holy cow 370Z is still on sale, that gen is from 2009...?

 

[am55]

But the Odyssey? Why? Minivans are the current market flavor. And the Odyssey is extremely popular. *Shrug*

Because like all other famous "brands" it has gotten fat and overfeatured and is a shadow of an echo of what it used to stand for.

The original was squat, small, spacious inside, and with car-like driving dynamics, helped in no small part by an engine that was quite powerful compared to the competition. It was simple and offered something that was not a wagon, and not a van, but very specifically what you wanted as a middle class parent, maybe up to around 2006? Or whenever they still had normal doors. Plenty that old still driving around here despite the cost to renew the Certificate of Entitlement (around $100k per 10 years) that lets you drive any car, which tells you how much the owners like them. They weren't that reliable (timing belt, tyres, brake fluid...) compared to Toyotas - it's like choosing between the V8 or the 1HZ on land cruisers, you're optimising for very different things. 1HZ won't overtake road trains but the V8 will die if facing a sand and water contaminated bush diesel...

One of my neighbours has one of the recent models. It's enormous, as tall, wide and squarer than a Tarago or Sienna or even the Alphard/Vellfire that Americans don't get (the Alphard sure feels narrower visually). It's sluggish and drives like a truck. Despite the bulk, I don't feel like it's particularly roomy inside. The sliding doors are slow and complicated. I love the old Odyssey but to me the new ones just compete with the other vans. Given the political nature of feature bloat maybe they thought killing it and replacing it with something smaller might work? The Mobilio is free of the bloat and seats 7 in a small package, but it's not exactly an exciting drive like the old Odyssey sort of was.

What is interesting in the van space is the new Hiace based Alphard replacement/competitor. I was pondering a Hiace mostly to carry stuff to outdoors activities. It's simple, reliable and can be bashed around by a family, still relatively cheap.

 

[Thrift Vader]

If i lived in the 'States i'd definitely want a challenger.

- or a 3rd gen Camaro.

Spoiler

Because like all other famous "brands" it has gotten fat and overfeatured and is a shadow of an echo of what it used to stand for.

The original was squat, small, spacious inside, and with car-like driving dynamics, helped in no small part by an engine that was quite powerful compared to the competition. It was simple and offered something that was not a wagon, and not a van, but very specifically what you wanted as a middle class parent, maybe up to around 2006? Or whenever they still had normal doors. Plenty that old still driving around here despite the cost to renew the Certificate of Entitlement (around $100k per 10 years) that lets you drive any car, which tells you how much the owners like them. They weren't that reliable (timing belt, tyres, brake fluid...) compared to Toyotas - it's like choosing between the V8 or the 1HZ on land cruisers, you're optimising for very different things. 1HZ won't overtake road trains but the V8 will die if facing a sand and water contaminated bush diesel...

One of my neighbours has one of the recent models. It's enormous, as tall, wide and squarer than a Tarago or Sienna or even the Alphard/Vellfire that Americans don't get (the Alphard sure feels narrower visually). It's sluggish and drives like a truck. Despite the bulk, I don't feel like it's particularly roomy inside. The sliding doors are slow and complicated. I love the old Odyssey but to me the new ones just compete with the other vans. Given the political nature of feature bloat maybe they thought killing it and replacing it with something smaller might work? The Mobilio is free of the bloat and seats 7 in a small package, but it's not exactly an exciting drive like the old Odyssey sort of was.

What is interesting in the van space is the new Hiace based Alphard replacement/competitor. I was pondering a Hiace mostly to carry stuff to outdoors activities. It's simple, reliable and can be bashed around by a family, still relatively cheap.

Yeah, the old Odysseys still look modern. and great in purple.

 

[am55]

If i lived in the 'States i'd definitely want a challenger.

For a second I thought you were talking about the Mitsubishi (which I think is the "Montero Sport" in many markets, and didn't make it to the US for 2nd gen, but Aussies call it the Challenger). Bit of an underdog in Oz due to slightly smaller size and the obvious Prado alternative so they are very cheap and in good state for the dollar. Good choice if you do a lot of real offroad... not sure about parking that monster in town, or whether the family will be keen on the diesel truck auditory experience and the vibrations. Still, seats 7 and drinks as much as a modern Odyssey

 

[Thrift Vader]

No, i meant the Dodge/Chrysler challenger sports car.

But off-road 4x4's are cool too.

 

[Texasmade]

If i lived in the 'States i'd definitely want a challenger.

- or a 3rd gen Camaro.
Volvo XC

Yeah, the old Odysseys still look modern. and great in purple.

ftfy

 

[Piobaire]

Chrysler depreciates like a muthafucker and always has. I also don't trust their long term reliability.

 

[Thrift Vader]

So you're saying it's perfect for a thrifty mechanically inclined person?


Or are you just trying to promote Volvo's.

 

[jbarwick]

I've seen probably 3 NSXs this year but it's not often. Looks better in bright colors as black sort of hides all the style. As for the Supra, I see one regularly as a kid at the local high school has one. Same high school where one of the kids drives a Bentayga to cross country practice.

The problem with the Chrysler cars is that the V8s and higher end ones look great then the econo versions sell like hot cakes and look dull. Same can be said of the Camaro and Mustang except the Mustang looks a lot more aggressive at the higher end.

 

[Michigan Planner]

 

[HRoi]

“In explaining the decision to end production, Honda said the car has fulfilled its role of promoting the company's brand through technological innovation and motor sports activities.”

why the need to make up some stupid corporate non-speak? Everyone knows that the thing did not sell, even with heavy incentives. I’d heard at one point you could get an NSX for around $130k

 

[Thrift Vader]

oof.