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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bert1568, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Superfluous

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    Then why not call it the 235i?
     


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    It's like an enhanced package on top of the standard 235i that is 'breathed upon' with M-tech parts but not a full M-car.

    I'd think it's analogous to the ZHP package, except with a more obvious/recognizable name badge rather than just a package code on the dealer spec sheet.
     
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    Because tacking on the "M" probably makes paying $50k for an entry-model BMW a little more bearable.
     


  4. Superfluous

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    My car has the "M sport package" but isn't an M and they don't have the M in the name. Or are you suggesting it's beyond the M Sport Package and much closer to actual M but not really? Either way, I find the name kind of silly. They should just pick one.
     
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    Lots of people would argue that this is exactly what the 1M is, as well
     


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    Uh, no.
     


  7. sonick

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    :nest:


    I'm not 100% sure but I believe they actually perform between a basic M-sport and a true M's (e.g. like the ZHP was), but I think it's moreso just a new naming convention where they can leverage the M-brand's recognition to charge more.

    Like Audi's S-line.
     
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    I see you all are making idfnl feel welcome. Please continue. :devil:
     


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    It's at least arguable. All the other M cars were full ground up designs. The 1M had a slight hp bump and uprated other bits over the donor 1-series. But we had this discussion already 50 pages ago :stirpot:
     


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    Isn't the engine in the 1M the same engine in the 335i, just more aggressively tuned?
     


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    It's a N55 engine, the 1M had a N54.
     
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    Yeah that's what I thought.

    Most "purists" would argue that a true M-car is supposed to have a bespoke engine built specifically for that model. It's a nit and I'm indifferent in that regard, but I do lie in the camp of disappointment with BMW moving away from that paradigm.
     
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  13. Find Finn

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    The M35 cars, are not M cars, they are just below that and are meant to compete with Audi S cars.


    Either way 280+hp in a small hatchback isn't slow by any means, the N54's get 400hp with some tweaks.
     


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    3 pages of talk on M this and M that? These are the only M that matter ...

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  15. GreenFrog

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    I was referring to the 1M.
     


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