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Cars We Drive!

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bert1568, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Superfluous

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    Then why not call it the 235i?
     
  2. sonick

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    It's like an enhanced package on top of the standard 235i that is 'breathed upon' with M-tech parts but not a full M-car.

    I'd think it's analogous to the ZHP package, except with a more obvious/recognizable name badge rather than just a package code on the dealer spec sheet.
     
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  3. bawlin

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    Because tacking on the "M" probably makes paying $50k for an entry-model BMW a little more bearable.
     
  4. Superfluous

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    My car has the "M sport package" but isn't an M and they don't have the M in the name. Or are you suggesting it's beyond the M Sport Package and much closer to actual M but not really? Either way, I find the name kind of silly. They should just pick one.
     
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  5. HRoi

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    Lots of people would argue that this is exactly what the 1M is, as well
     
  6. bawlin

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    Uh, no.
     
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    :nest:


    I'm not 100% sure but I believe they actually perform between a basic M-sport and a true M's (e.g. like the ZHP was), but I think it's moreso just a new naming convention where they can leverage the M-brand's recognition to charge more.

    Like Audi's S-line.
     
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    I see you all are making idfnl feel welcome. Please continue. :devil:
     
  9. HRoi

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    It's at least arguable. All the other M cars were full ground up designs. The 1M had a slight hp bump and uprated other bits over the donor 1-series. But we had this discussion already 50 pages ago :stirpot:
     
  10. GreenFrog

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    Isn't the engine in the 1M the same engine in the 335i, just more aggressively tuned?
     
  11. Find Finn

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    It's a N55 engine, the 1M had a N54.
     
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  12. GreenFrog

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    Yeah that's what I thought.

    Most "purists" would argue that a true M-car is supposed to have a bespoke engine built specifically for that model. It's a nit and I'm indifferent in that regard, but I do lie in the camp of disappointment with BMW moving away from that paradigm.
     
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  13. Find Finn

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    The M35 cars, are not M cars, they are just below that and are meant to compete with Audi S cars.


    Either way 280+hp in a small hatchback isn't slow by any means, the N54's get 400hp with some tweaks.
     
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    3 pages of talk on M this and M that? These are the only M that matter ...

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  15. GreenFrog

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    I was referring to the 1M.
     
  16. Find Finn

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    yeah okay, think that was one of.
     
  17. bawlin

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    Ahh I get to car-sit an F10 M5 for a month :slayer:

    Still thinking about that AW E92 though. If I can get the guy down to 36k I might have to move on it.
     
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    Didn't you say that the m3 felt massively underpowered after you test drove the f10 m5? I'm not sure if the m3 is right for you if you're placing outsized importance on acceleration / torque.
     
  19. Find Finn

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    Report back on the M5 spend most of the evening youtubing f10 m5 and w212 e63 exhausts.
     
  20. HRoi

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    It should feel underpowered - it gives up around 150 hp/200 tq and makes its power up high in the band.

    Course, some say that's how M's are supposed to be and BMW should leave the turbo monsters to AMG :stirpot:
     

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