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Unpainted plastic doesn’t wrap well (adhesion issues with non-porous surfaces) and won’t protect against the kind of impacts that a spoiler would typically take anyway.

CF can be wrapped though....

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Unpainted plastic doesn’t wrap well (adhesion issues with non-porous surfaces) and won’t protect against the kind of impacts that a spoiler would typically take anyway.

CF can be wrapped though....

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Who’s wrapping plastic?
 

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Comparison of stock wing with Manthey wing, and photo of someone else’s car who had it painted and installed.

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In a side by side comparison, I like the Manthey wing more than stock. However, on the car, I think it almost looks too big or makes the car's back end look too heavy. Maybe It looks better in person or on a darker color.
 

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In a side by side comparison, I like the Manthey wing more than stock. However, on the car, I think it almost looks too big or makes the car's back end look too heavy. Maybe It looks better in person or on a darker color.
Yeah, does have that effect from that angle. On Manthey’s own car, looks better—but, to your point, it’s a darker color as well.
 

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For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road.

MT wants to fight the trend? For better or worse we worship hp since about forever, and engine continues to define people’s number one perception of a car... modern fast car is boring fast and safe fast (reasonably), don’t think that’s likely to go away...
 

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For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road.

MT wants to fight the trend? For better or worse we worship hp since about forever, and engine continues to define people’s number one perception of a car... modern fast car is boring fast and safe fast (reasonably), don’t think that’s likely to go away...
I think the situation needs a more nuanced lens.

“Lap times and displacement” are not the enemies of fun driving on the road. In fact, good lap times relative to any given car’s peers in price and power imply that the power can actually be put to use. Miatas and Honda Civic Type Rs have fantastic, class-beating lap times and are also, without coincidence, two of the most fun-to-drive cars on the market.

The real bad guy is the customer. Most buyers just want fast 0-60 times, a brag-worthy badge, a comfy ride, big horsepower numbers, and big LCD screens and cupholders to match. The easiest way to deliver all that stuff is to load up on weight and exchange actual dynamics/tactility for the perception of those things. That’s why everyone has sacrificed steering feel and replaced it with enhanced steering effort. That’s why everyone has gone with turbochargers even when the fuel efficiency on paper is only incrementally better (if at all). That’s why almost no one offers a stick anymore. One word sums it all up: BMW.
 
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For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road.

MT wants to fight the trend? For better or worse we worship hp since about forever, and engine continues to define people’s number one perception of a car... modern fast car is boring fast and safe fast (reasonably), don’t think that’s likely to go away...
BMW is really the only automaker that was panned for this in the article (both with the Supra and the M2). In R&T’s own words, many of the other cars were ‘exceptional’ to drive.

The Hyundai isn’t even the consensus best front drive hot hatch on the market. It has to thrash the Focus RS and the Civic Type R for that, and i haven’t read that yet. It’s an inherently compromised front driver economy car platform. Is Albert Biermann that much of a genius to tune the worst layout for performance to beat mid-engine supercars for about $30k? Sounds ridiculous.
 

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Gojira or bust for me....I’ll leave the STi’s for someone else.


Also - holy shit. A clean R34 GT-R is already $80-90k right now in Japan? That’s not cheaper at all than a M3 CSL.
R34 at $90k = Dat popular tax.

"The White Car" Is a WRC Homologation special. = stupid fast.
With 5 seats,Air con, and cup holders.

Car for car, it's more Spicy.
But i only used it to illustrate the craziness of the hype around GTR's Vs actual performance value. I mean, you'd have to nod that a Rally Homologation Subaru is an outrageous amount of performance at the price shown. > $15,000 . not $90,000.
No way an R34 is six times more Car.

Seriously though? Get an R35. simply better in every way. of what a GTR is meant to do.
 

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I think the situation needs a more nuanced lens.

“Lap times and displacement” are not the enemies of fun driving on the road. In fact, good lap times relative to any given car’s peers in price and power imply that the power can actually be put to use. Miatas and Honda Civic Type Rs have fantastic, class-beating lap times and are also, without coincidence, two of the most fun-to-drive cars on the market.

The real bad guy is the customer. Most buyers just want fast 0-60 times, a brag-worthy badge, a comfy ride, big horsepower numbers, and big LCD screens and cupholders to match. The easiest way to deliver all that stuff is to load up on weight and exchange actual dynamics/tactility for the perception of those things. That’s why everyone has sacrificed steering feel and replaced it with enhanced steering effort. That’s why everyone has gone with turbochargers even when the fuel efficiency on paper is only incrementally better (if at all). That’s why almost no one offers a stick anymore. One word sums it all up: BMW.
I would definitely pick a fight on the fuel efficiency part, my 3 liter turbo tugging a fat ass 4000 lb 540 xDrive is pretty much below 2.5k rpm ALL the time when I’m just driving in town and reasonable take over in highway. i highly doubt I would be able to do that had my engine been NA...
 

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BMW is really the only automaker that was panned for this in the article (both with the Supra and the M2). In R&T’s own words, many of the other cars were ‘exceptional’ to drive.

The Hyundai isn’t even the consensus best front drive hot hatch on the market. It has to thrash the Focus RS and the Civic Type R for that, and i haven’t read that yet. It’s an inherently compromised front driver economy car platform. Is Albert Biermann that much of a genius to tune the worst layout for performance to beat mid-engine supercars for about $30k? Sounds ridiculous.
BMW is going to get pinned especially because what it used to be, regarding to the Hyundai, excerpt

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Because the Veloster N is so cheap, anyone with a nine-to-five can sign a note and ride off with one of the sharpest cars on the market. But it was more than price. Pressing the “N” button on the steering wheel changed the car dramatically. We tend to turn up our noses at drive modes on fun cars: Why does a Lamborghini need a Sport setting? Didn’t you buy the expensive loud one? The button makes perfect sense here, switching the car from quiet and comfortable daily driver to snotty hot hatch, the exhaust popping and snapping with more authority than anything the Corvette could muster. It is so fantastically neutral, pivoting at your hips, the throttle and brake yaw rheostats.

No front-drive car should work this well, but the Veloster is eager, urging you to run up and stick a pin in some expensive supercar’s ego. To watch it deflate as you fill their mirrors.


“It doesn’t care how you treat it,” Kinard said. “You can drive it on its tippy toes, like someone who knows what they’re doing. Or you can drive it like me, a ham-fisted Colin McRae wannabe. The thing rewards you.”

“That’s what the Civic Type R should have made people say,” Smith agreed.


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There are flaws. The engine has all the character of an ink-jet printer, and the gas and brake pedal occupy different zip codes. But after five minutes, it doesn’t matter. As we chased the new Corvette away from our lunch stop on the final day of testing, the Hyundai had that mid-engine thing’s number, dancing and playing but forever confident. Kinard called it a bucket of puppies, but that’s not quite right. I’ve never met a puppy that can run down a McLaren on a back road.

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For all their bluster and power, their lap times and displacement, most of the carmakers at this test made a deal with the devil—they traded what once made them great in the search for outright speed. Never has the disparity been greater between the capabilities of a modern fast car and what is legally possible. The new definition of performance isn’t what a car can do, but what it will do on a good road.

The Veloster N is what a great front-wheel-drive car should feel like. A delight that welds a smile to your face every time you drive it. It cheers you on, treating you like the hero. And it came from a company that had no reason to build it. Chevrolet has to make a Corvette; Porsche, a 911. Short of a giant meteorite or nuclear winter, those names will always exist. Cars like the Veloster N are more special, crafted not of obligation, but for the sheer joy of driving. That’s why the Hyundai Veloster N is Road & Track’s 2020 Performance Car of the Year.

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Foo:
“Riced” to me applies to shitty, usually ineffective modifications—stereotypically in the case of Japanese cars.
Also foo:
Peak 911 doesn’t need a wing for road driving, period. But a properly engineered wing doesn’t hurt Peak 911 and can make Peak 911 look even more awesomer.

Some people are :( because they don’t have a Peak 911 with or without a wing.
So he's buying a modification purely for aesthetic reasons which is the definition of a rice modification but it isn't rice because it isn't shiity to him.
 

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