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Anyone see the new LR Defender? I have a RRS and LR4 (8 cylinder), both of which (especially the latter) I love a lot. The new Defender, not feeling it, but I usually take time to warm up to change!
 

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I feel like the boxy style of the old Defender is what made it so interesting. The G-Wagen has continued that style but the new Defender looks a little soft.

How is LR reliability these days? Haven't heard a lot of complaints but I don't know anyone with a LR product.
 

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How is LR reliability these days? Haven't heard a lot of complaints but I don't know anyone with a LR product.
A buddy traded his wife's Q5 in for LR about a year ago and he and his wife hated it. The thing had all sorts of quality control issues, the dealer was basically incapable if fixing them and really didn't care. In less than a year they traded it for a BMW.

About 10-15 years ago he had a Range Rover Sport that was at least trouble free for the first 2-3 years.
 

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My Range Rover Sport has been relatively bulletproof. Mind you, I've only put 8,000 miles on it in 18 months. But still, so far so good.
 

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Yes, the rest of the design does look quite good. Lines are coherent, no ugly or dissonant features other than the grill. The front clip is enough to ruin the entire design for me, though. BMW constantly claims that customers say that BMW’s aren’t ‘distinctive enough’ so these grills are the solution to that problem. I keep wondering, who are these people who think this looks good??
Well if you ask me this was better than E39 to E60..., maybe take a LCI for it to look truly good...
 

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So with BMW dead to me, where’s a guy to go for a true four-seat sports car like daily driver? Hope that the RS6 avant isn’t phenomenally expensive?
 

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So with BMW dead to me, where’s a guy to go for a true four-seat sports car like daily driver? Hope that the RS6 avant isn’t phenomenally expensive?
E63S? You'd have choice between sedan or wagon and you could find one with <10K miles so someone else takes the depreciation hit.
 

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Mercedes a fine option, especially with the new displays/interiors. I know we’ve extensively went over how AMG’s are terrible to lease. How terrible is it, exactly?

A $110k M5 with discounts, trunk money and multiple security deposits could probably be leased from $1200-1400 a month with zero down/36 mos. wonder how much you could realistically talk a MB dealer down for an equivalently priced E63??
 

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Mercedes a fine option, especially with the new displays/interiors. I know we’ve extensively went over how AMG’s are terrible to lease. How terrible is it, exactly?

A $110k M5 with discounts, trunk money and multiple security deposits could probably be leased from $1200-1400 a month with zero down/36 mos. wonder how much you could realistically talk a MB dealer down for an equivalently priced E63??
My 2016 C63S AMG was cheaper to finance than lease for monthly payments.
 

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what's wrong with BMW M5C (look about as subtle as the current line up going to)
 

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