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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bert1568, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. mafoofan

    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    I grew up in the 80's and 90's, so my love for cars as a child and teenager was almost entirely explored through enthusiast magazines (Car & Driver, Road & Track, Motor Trend, etc.). In fact, I've had a Car & Driver subscription since I was 12. By the time video games like Gran Turismo became popular and influential, I was already off to college. It is fascinating to think back on how things have changed over the years.

    For me, the 993 Turbo S was a pinnacle dream car simply because it was the quickest and fastest, most powerful, and most expensive 911 at the time. Back then, there was no strong bifurcation between cars for "performance" versus "driving experience," as has evolved since. Today, you can buy a 911 Turbo or a 911 GT3. Both are apex 911s, but each has a distinctly different purpose and ethos. In the time of the 993, however, there was just the Turbo at the top (and the Turbo S at the top of the top). So, what more could one aspire to if he wanted a 911? Had there been something like a 993 GT3, I'm not sure my teenage self would know what to make of it.

    After all, turbos back then were exotic and implemented only for performance enhancement. The 959 was turbocharged. As was the F40. The sportiest 300ZX was the turbo. The sportiest Supra was turbocharged. I would never have stopped to think about linear power delivery, throttle response, turbo lag, or reduced red lines. Heck, I don't even remember caring about sound as a standalone metric. If it was powerful, it sounded good to me--whatever that sound happened to be. My Prelude sounded awesome to me simply because I knew it was VTEC and VTEC was cool. I wasn't troubled by the Jekyll-and-Hyde nature of the engine and that it only came alive (abruptly and suddenly) at 5,000 RPM. In fact, that was a feature! It was fucking awesome!

    Today, I consider myself extremely lucky to have a manual, naturally aspirated 991.2 GT3 coming my way. In my opinion, there is no new performance car more desirable and it will go down in history as one of the greatest, period. My 12-year-old self would certainly be proud to know he'd get to own and drive the "best" 911 while still in his 30's. But he'd also be scratching his head as to why I didn't go for the Turbo with more power, a space-age dual-clutch transmission, and a superior 0-60 time.
     
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  2. HRoi

    HRoi Stylish Dinosaur

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    There actually were “GT” versions of the 993. There was definitely a Turbo GT2, and the RS (or was it RSR) was the GT3, I guess, although I am not sure if it was approved for sale in the US.

    However, this whole “track car version of a road car” phenomenon is newer than that - of course, coinciding with the rise of the HPDE industry
     


  3. Dino944

    Dino944 Distinguished Member

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    As you mentioned, there were GT versions of the 993, but they were not for sale in the US.
     


  4. bawlin

    bawlin Distinguished Member

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    Any Macan owners here? Care to comment about your experience with the car so far?
     


  5. palmer45

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    Sweet list! Gonna stick with my Civic and Wrangler toy. Recently helped a buddy installing new set of tires, fuel wheels and Borla muffler on buddy's Range Rover, made a good difference on sound on that beast. My uncle used to have Muira back in the days, been kicking himself selling it.
     


  6. Thrift Vader

    Thrift Vader Forum Mechanic

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    I Don't own a Macan. but can tell you they are slow. ;)
     


  7. brokencycle

    brokencycle Stylish Dinosaur Moderator

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    @HRoi
     


  8. Dino944

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    2 of my friends own Macan Turbos, and they love them. One of the owners has new Porsches and vintage Porsches and he said his Turbo Macan is one of the best daily drivers he has ever owned. Just be sure to get the sport chrono option, which gives you sport plus mode which remaps throttle response and a hard redline cutoff (without it most of the cars cut fuel supply I think 500 RPM sooner).

    Edit...Just noticed the winking emoji...so maybe you're joking?...but if if not, well if speaking about the base model, yes a bit on the slow side for a Porsche. However, the S & GTS are far from slow reaching 60 mph in 4.7 seconds and the Turbo Macan can hit 60 in 3.7 seconds. I've driven and riden in them and as far as SUVs go (and I'm not really into SUVs) they are among the most fun I've experienced in an SUV.
     
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  9. bawlin

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    Good to know! I hate SC in my car, but it certainly serves a purpose in PDK and Turbo cars.

    Does anyone have experience with the GLC43? Seems like the value proposition is a bit stronger with that car than the Macan (I managed to spec an S to over $100k CAD). F Pace is out of the question. Not interested in the Velar. Anything else I'm missing?
     


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  11. HRoi

    HRoi Stylish Dinosaur

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    My wife owns the Macan Turbo. It’s the best crossover on the market and it’s not close. But clearly that’s my opinion because we bought it over the others. The only drawback is that it’s one of the most expensive.

    I helped my friend buy a base Macan and it’s also great but slow compared to the Turbo, and I’d rather save my pennies for a Turbo. The power diff from a base Macan might be too big vs your GT3. With me, there’s not much of a drop off in daily driving, from the GT3 to the Macan Turbo.

    We looked at the GLC (I think it was called something different a year ago). It’s more of a car than an SUV, and the interior looked cheap compared to the Porsche. I also hated the power delivery - too peaky. The Porsche still has a touch of turbo lag under 3000, but is much more linear.

    I don’t want to write a novel, but lmk if you have specific questions and i’ll answer
     


  12. bawlin

    bawlin Distinguished Member

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    Appreciate the feedback. Did you consider the GTS (or even S)? Buying this for my girlfriend, so I could even get away with a base model, however I will be the one who ends up driving it most of the time which is why I would like a decent trim level. The price disparity between the GTS and Turbo (~$30k) is a little more than I'm willing to stomach.

    I hate Audi. Always have. Always will. Replacing a 2011 S4 and couldn't be happier at the mere thought of never having to see or drive that thing again. With that said, I've only heard good things about the SQ5 :/
     


  13. HRoi

    HRoi Stylish Dinosaur

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    GTS is awesome, and honestly, the sweet spot of the lineup. It looks better than the turbo (stock v stock), and the stuff you get standard over the S is stuff that you want anyway (eg sport exhaust, GTS interior package). That is the trim I recommend, even though I went with the higher power of the Turbo. Also, I bought the Turbo off the lot on the last fiscal day of 2016, and they gave me a stupid deal - something like $15k off msrp iirc
     


  14. Jr Mouse

    Jr Mouse Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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  15. Thrift Vader

    Thrift Vader Forum Mechanic

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    Think the one i beat was a Gts (same stock 0-60,i'm not stock)

    it looked nice enough. and was a quick grocery getter. i mean, if it's for your lady, and you might have to drive it? could be worse. :cool2:

    Sad Subaru doesn't make Bonkers 6spd,Turbo Sti Forresters anymore. if they kept going, they'd still be quick. and cheaper. sigh.
     


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