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Cars We Drive!

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Bert1568, Jul 18, 2006.

  1. Edgein

    Edgein Senior member

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    Never like any of the Bangle designs. Loved my '88 M3. That and my VW R32, first year imported, were the most legal fun you could have under 50K. Now I drive a boring '92 500E. Best car I've ever owned.
     
  2. Arthur PE

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    the 500E (and E500) are a best kept secret
    MB reliability, built like a tank, by Porsche
    banker's hot rod


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  3. rocks

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    I have never owned Lexus's before so let's make it clear that I am no fan boy; however, the verdict is out, the new GS is the best drivers car of the group. I don't know who told you the F10 535i was a drivers car. Not anymore, even Infiniti has beat BMW at its own game. The new 5er is more in the realm of a 7 series in terms of driving dynamics. BMW has lost its way, they have chosen to make the F10 what Lexus did in the past in this segment. Now, however, Lexus still manages to beat the F10 in driving dynamics as well as beat it in luxury amenities. Lexus have much better materials inside and better fit and finish plus they also manage to keep the weight down and stuck with an NA motor. As for the ISF vs the M3, you are wrong again, go test drive a 2011 or newer ISF and see for yourself.
    The M3 can no longer run circles around it on the track. Lexus have been constantly updating the car. When it first debuted it lacked a real LSD and the suspension was harsh. Not anymore, see the latest test of the 2012. It is now on par with the M3 while offering better fit and finish as well as better mpg. On a drag strip it will also murder the M3. Let's give credit where its due, the only reason to buy an M3 is if you just are a fanboy or you want a manual. Otherwise the ISF is a great and equal alternative. There was a time when the M3 really was in a class of its own, not anymore. Even Ford makes a car that can hold its own against the M3. I think as car enthusiasts we need to be unbiased, the GTR and the ISF are two great alternatives to the Porches and BMW's of this era. You make not like their quirky styling but as a drivers car, they both are serious contenders to the best that Germany has to offer. This is great news for us as consumers because now we have a broader selection to choose from.


    Ps. Let's avoid talking about looks since its subjective, there are plenty who would say the Z4 you bought is ugly, yet it does not matter since you like it. We all have different taste and nobody posting here can prove to me in absolute terms that their taste is superior to all.
     
  4. Arthur PE

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    the new M3 is faster than an ISF
    and a much better drive
    it's 15 sec faster around the 'Ring, that is substantial
    although the M3 steering feel has deteriorated gen to gen (simple physics, larger and heavier), it is miles better than the ISF

    an M3 weighs 3600 pounds, the ISF 4000 (they claim 3800, but it's been on scales), and look at the wt distribution
    every magazine on the planet has done an M3 and ISF comparo (C63, RS4, etc.) and the ISF has NEVER been ranked higher than the M3 as far as I know

    the ISF is a nice car, but it's no M3

    the RS4 ranks higher in most tests, but I'll admit the M3 is a better handler and drivers car than the RS4, but quattro sealed the deal for me

    http://www.insideline.com/audi/rs4/2007/comparison-test-2007-audi-rs4-vs-2008-lexus-is-f.html
    The World We Live In
    The 2009 Lexus IS-F is the kind of car that really benefits from switching off the stability control, as it'll do some really wicked powerslides. And the IS-F handles really nicely and precisely. It's just too much for us, though. Too much to look at, too intricate to fully appreciate and too hard-core for the street.

    The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.

    RS4
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph)


    ISF
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.2 @ 109.3


    12.8 @ 108.5
     
  5. Edgein

    Edgein Senior member

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    Arthur, nice photo. I wish mine looked as good. Close to 150K miles and still tight, yet roomy and solid. Nice rims as well, AMG? Mine is 100% stock, don't like what the pot holes do to nice wheels. Thanks for sharing.
     
  6. RFX45

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    I can live with it if everyone says my Z4 is ugly, doesn't matter to me. But I am still going to say the GS and new 3 series is ugly as well. I can literally pinpoint every flaw my Z4 has and it's really no big deal because I knew all of it before I made the purchase.


    No one said you're a Lexus fanboy, I can admit I am though and I really hate where the styling is going. I still love the IS300, currently own an IS250. The bubble eye GS is great and the SC300/SC400 is still one of the cars that I would love to own to this day. I love it that they are being more sporty and a drivers car, the ISF is a great start but the LFA has been a joke (not the performance but the price and availability). If the new GS drives well, good, I am happy for Lexus. But the ISF fell short of matching the E90 M3, that is simple fact. As for this GS beating the current 5, again good for them. You can trace back my posts in this this thread, I don't like big sedans and one of the few who hates the 5-series so there isn't biased there but up until these recent generations, people have always said BMW is the standard. I haven't test driven the new GS so I can't say how it drives. I haven't read any reviews, I did watch the MotorWeek and they seem to be happy with the change but still feels it isn't enough. I still think they need a GSF and I still think their recent pinched front fascia theme is ugly. It may grow on me eventually but right now, I certainly wouldn't consider one.

    In the end, just buy what you want and ignore all the BS. Everyone says the current season Z4 isn't as sporty as last gen, people said get a Cayman over it, that the turbo 4 is expensive, etc... I didn't care and bought what I wanted. Don't take offense in any of my statements on the GS, as you said, look is subjective and I am merely giving my opinion on how it looks and how it competes with the others.
     
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    i love the 500E. closest thing to an AMG Hammer that you can actually find (well, not very easily)
     
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    500E's are classics... it was kind of rare I guess but somehow there are a bunch in Japan, there's specialist shops and dealers that only do 500's. A lot of cars get souped up with evolutionary parts, both Porsche and AMG stuff...

    this one is really nice, has the powered Recaros from that time (which came on Hammers and the old RUF cars, maybe the original Audi RS2 as well?) and then a bunch of stuff on it, like Porsche Cayenne brakes F/R and some pretty nicely matching aftermarket wheels:

    http://ameblo.jp/jautoceo/entry-11067377351.html

    this one has a 6.0L AMG V8:

    http://ameblo.jp/jautoceo/entry-11172557985.html
     
  9. Find Finn

    Find Finn Senior member

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    Am I checking this thread to often, or have you posted this 3 times or so?
     
  10. fritzl

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    not so much in europe. the car was a big success in the old DTM - Deutsche Tourenwagenmeisterschaft.
     
  11. fritzl

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    i don't know, if the VR6 was available in the US. this was a blast. i had the G60. i miss it.
     
  12. oneeightyseven

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    yeah dude told us three times about his new car and we congratulated him the first two. we get it, you got a ctsv, dont need to tell us everytime you log in.
     
  13. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    I don't mind if he posts his car multiple times, but would love to see better pics please :)
     
  14. jenlain

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    Posted in early January that I ordered it and posted the pic yesterday when I got it. Possible that someone else got one as well?
     
  15. oneeightyseven

    oneeightyseven Senior member

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    just 4 days ago you posted literally the exact same picture and caption. at least throw some new and better pics and a review. do you really not realize that you just posted it?
     
  16. Find Finn

    Find Finn Senior member

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    ;)
     
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  17. jenlain

    jenlain Senior member

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    had an error come up when I originally posted it. didn't realize it went through.
     
  18. gomestar

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    it's not nearly as annoying as Green Frog's "I want an M3", "M3 is my dream", "I'm considering an M3", "might look at an M3 in addition to my current BMW", "I :drool: an M3", but maybe that's just me.
     
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    I agree with most of what you said; also I was not implying that you said I was a fanboy. I brought it up so as to clear all doubt, as for the Z4, I have no problem with it. I think every good car these days seems to have a downside in styling, at least the ones I like. The Panamera is the best drivers car in its segment but the styling might be off-putting to some; same goes for the GS. The previous GS's were merely luxury appliances and the 3rd gen was not pleasing to the eye either. In the end, we must compromise since not all of us can afford an AM; then there are some that will say the AM lacks real performance especially for the price tag. The LFA is one of the greatest supercars of this era, yes it is pricey but the engineering is there to support that high price. Remember Toyota is not making any money off these things.
     
  20. fritzl

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    +1
     

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