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You shouldn’t have to if you paid for the shoes last year, as the price would have included Spanish VAT. If you paid this year and Carmina haven’t paid U.K. VAT as part of the price then you need to pay that invoice.

If Carmina charged Spanish VAT and you paid this year then they have cocked up and need to give you that part back as you shouldn’t pay VAT twice.
The whole situation is a bit weird. When I spoke to DHL, they suggested that if we bought a product in the EU that originated completely from within the EU, we should just pay the local tax and that’s it. I think companies are still finding their way.
 

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I paid last October so shouldn’t have to pay the . They’ve emailed me to say they’re contacting DHL.
 

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I paid last October so shouldn’t have to pay the . They’ve emailed me to say they’re contacting DHL.
👍 i think they’re just teething problems. DHL seem to be particularly keen. They’re still holding onto a pair of boots that I returned over two weeks even though Carmina supplied all the necessary paperwork.
 

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The whole situation is a bit weird. When I spoke to DHL, they suggested that if we bought a product in the EU that originated completely from within the EU, we should just pay the local tax and that’s it. I think companies are still finding their way.
Our local tax? Yes, that’s my understanding too, but the courier will invariably charge for paying that on the recipients behalf, so anything from the EU, even if it’s made in the EU ends up more expensive.

It seems to get really confusing when buying goods in the EU that were made outside the EU. I believe then you have to pay U.K. VAT, duty and whatever admin charge the courier levies.
 

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Our local tax? Yes, that’s my understanding too, but the courier will invariably charge for paying that on the recipients behalf, so anything from the EU, even if it’s made in the EU ends up more expensive.

It seems to get really confusing when buying goods in the EU that were made outside the EU. I believe then you have to pay U.K. VAT, duty and whatever admin charge the courier levies.
No, Spanish tax. In theory, given all the materials Carmina use originate within the EU and given the shoes are manufactured in the EU, nothing should have changed for us. We should have just paid Spanish tax and not UK tax.
 

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No, Spanish tax. In theory, given all the materials Carmina use originate within the EU and given the shoes are manufactured in the EU, nothing should have changed for us. We should have just paid Spanish tax and not UK tax.
Have you got a source for that? Everything I can find says that on goods entirely sourced and sold in the EU we should be paying Import VAT, and for goods not entirely sourced in the EU, but sold from there Import VAT + duty. It isn't helped by the fact that the HMRC site is not fully up to date on the new rules.

Edit - it looks like you need to register to see the FT article -this was the most telling quote
"Smaller EU foreign traders have criticised the new bureaucracy because they used to charge their domestic VAT rates. Some have even refused to supply to the UK."




 

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Have you got a source for that? Everything I can find says that on goods entirely sourced and sold in the EU we should be paying Import VAT, and for goods not entirely sourced in the EU, but sold from there Import VAT + duty. It isn't helped by the fact that the HMRC site is not fully up to date on the new rules.

Edit - it looks like you need to register to see the FT article -this was the most telling quote
"Smaller EU foreign traders have criticised the new bureaucracy because they used to charge their domestic VAT rates. Some have even refused to supply to the UK."




Just the discussion I had with DHL and an email from Asket (t-shirt retailer) over in Sweden.
 

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Just the discussion I had with DHL and an email from Asket (t-shirt retailer) over in Sweden.
You’d hope they know their stuff, especially DHL. It’s all frustratingly unclear.
 

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You’d hope they know their stuff, especially DHL. It’s all frustratingly unclear.
It is, I agree. I’ll try dig out the Asket email. The chap who responded explained it quite clear. He told me , there was no change to me as a consumer.
 

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You’d hope they know their stuff, especially DHL. It’s all frustratingly unclear.
I think, at the moment, the issues we’re experiencing are down to teething issues. Hopefully, a few months down the line, everything will be a lot smoother.
 

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Don’t pay it , drop Carmina an email. You shouldn’t be paying additional tax on orders from last year. I’ve just had a request for payment. Carmina are sitting it out.
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@Crafty Cumbrian I'd contact Carmina. a couple of years ago Carmina reimbursed me duty that I was erroneously charged by DHL. Given you placed your order last year and paid upfront, Carmina should cover your duty.

I received reimbursement within a couple of days of contacting Carmina.
 

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Hey just wondering how often does Carmina do their MTO events where they forgo the usual upcharge?

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