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So how do you take care of your cordovan? I keep hearing so many different ways.Some say to only brush and use a damp cloth when dirty other say to use Saphir Renovateur and other others say not to use Saphir renovateur because It contains turpentine and to only use a special cordovan cream. WHY isn't there a definite answer like calf shoes?
I've used lots of different products on Cordovan - nothing seems to kill it but certain products can build up and reduce the shine:
1. I find Argan Oil-based products good to soften Cordovan - Boot Black from Japan;
2. Famaco do a really good cream for Cordovan that leaves the best lustre;
3. Saphir Cordovan Cream is another good cream - doesn't get quite as lustrous as Famaco;
4. Boot Black again do a Cordovan Cream that leaves a similar shine to the Saphir products;
5. I've never used Saphir Renovateur - I've read similar to you regarding its ingredients.
Hope this helps.
 
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I've used lots of different products on Cordovan - nothing seems to kill it but certain products can build up and reduce the shine:
1. I find Argan Oil-based products good to soften Cordovan - Boot Black from Japan;
2. Famaco do a really good cream for Cordovan that leaves the best lustre;
3. Saphir Cordovan Cream is another good cream - doesn't get quite as lustrous as Famaco;
4. Boot Black again do a Cordovan Cream that leaves a similar shine to the Saphir products;
5. I've never used Saphir Renovateur - I've read similar to you regarding its ingredients.
Hope this helps.
Quick Google didn't bring up anything about Aragon oil base Lotion for cordovan.Famaco has so many different color polish which I like a lot and will try when I run out of my saphir.
 

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Quick Google didn't bring up anything about Aragon oil base Lotion for cordovan.Famaco has so many different color polish which I like a lot and will try when I run out of my saphir.
It’s actually Argan Oil - it’s mainly used in hair and skin care products. Boot Black have a straight Argan Oil based lotion and also a coloured product line called “Artists Pallet”. It’s not strictly for Cordovan - BB say it’s good for all smooth leather.
I sourced this product as they have lots of exotic colours in that range that you just cannot find in Cordovan cream. I recently used a Green colour from their range and the Cordovan boots came up the goods. It polishes up nicely too.
 

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So how do you take care of your cordovan? I keep hearing so many different ways.Some say to only brush and use a damp cloth when dirty other say to use Saphir Renovateur and other others say not to use Saphir renovateur because It contains turpentine and to only use a special cordovan cream. WHY isn't there a definite answer like calf shoes?
I own all shell* and it's easy so easy to care for.

My for longevity plan.

-If not dirty and has been treated with cordovan cream within the past 6 months just a brush is all that is needed.
-Same as above but dirty, damp cloth to take off dirt then brush.
-Every 6 months regardless of anything, clean with damp cloth if needed, then hit with Saphir renovateur, brush, then hit with clear or color (depending on shoe color) Saphir cordovan cream, then brush.
-If something goes crazy like caught in bad rain, snow, mud, something that get the shoes wet or dirty clean with damp cloth let dry then do the 6 month above.

Notes IMO I have never found the need to brush like crazy I find only a few min yields the same results as longer so I go with a few min max.

Honestly the above is probably overkill as shell is extremely durable. But we have all seen those 20+ year old shell shoes on ebay with cracks (calf too all leather drys out). So since I plan to keep my shoes for the rest of my life and pass to my son I take preventative care.

I have also found that many of the care products have the same or almost the same ingredients so I don't think there is much difference in particular brands even products within the same brand.

Example: Saphir Renovateur or "blue Line" is basically the same, as Saphir Medaille d'Or Renovator. The difference is Renovateur uses beeswax and carnauba whereas Saphir Medaille d'Or Renovator has uses beeswax. I used both products and can not tell them apart, if used under polish then you definitely will not notice at all. If using alone then the difference is incontestable and does not warrant at 13 cents an ml extra. You basically get the same product for 19 cents an ml versus 32 an ml. Like many brands one drop of X call it premium and you can charge more as someone will pay the extra cash thinking it is better.

Anyways as always Opinions vary widely so as long as you are doing some form of care you should be fine.


*Ok my slippers are suede but my sneakers are Carmina shell!
 

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So how do you take care of your cordovan? I keep hearing so many different ways.Some say to only brush and use a damp cloth when dirty other say to use Saphir Renovateur and other others say not to use Saphir renovateur because It contains turpentine and to only use a special cordovan cream. WHY isn't there a definite answer like calf shoes?
I typically will brush off any surface dirt/dust, wipe down with a wet (not damp, wet) cloth, dry/buff a bit, then brush again. If it's looking dry I'll hit it with some VSC (or paste wax only for Alden shell). Not hard to care for.
 

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So how do you take care of your cordovan? I keep hearing so many different ways.Some say to only brush and use a damp cloth when dirty other say to use Saphir Renovateur and other others say not to use Saphir renovateur because It contains turpentine and to only use a special cordovan cream. WHY isn't there a definite answer like calf shoes?
Most has been said, I'd like to add that cordovan specific cream is not overkill and regular Saphir renovateur should indeed not be used (or most mirror shine waxes). Yes, you will not see any damage or difference when doing it occasionally or just for a few times. But, as you already heard, shell cordovan is not a real leather but tight fibers that will losen up when solvents are applied. The effects will accumulate over time.

I'm using the Saphir cordovan cream but I also used some mink oil (without any additives, still lying around from my Red Wing Kit). Basically, fats (also when containing waxes like e.g. beeswax) are Ok and good to renurture it and it will give that shine back once you feel it is necessary (after a few times in rain certain areas felt a little dry to me e.g.).

My tip: just use common sense and your intuiton /feeling: brush them to give them that nice typical shine when they don't shine, when you feel like they are a little dry, just apply some fat/ wax based cream without solvents (alcohols, terpentine, acetone ...). If you are not sure just read the ingredients list. Thats it.
There is no need to buy one specific product nore follow rule x or wait x month to apply creme z and brush for y minutes.
 

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Hey!
Can you share the specs on this shoe?! Love it rain last? What color shell? Any more photos would be great!
Thanks! 80414 Norwegian split toe derby, Rain last, bourbon shell, single JR sole, chestnut edge, blind eyelets, round brown laces. Don’t have any new pics at the moment but will post some soon.
 

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Thanks! 80414 Norwegian split toe derby, Rain last, bourbon shell, single JR sole, chestnut edge, blind eyelets, round brown laces. Don’t have any new pics at the moment but will post some soon.
sounds promising ....

I'm eager to see those shoes
 

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Hello @Carmina ,
There is currently a pair of captoe oxfords on Cognac cordovan on the outlet section of the website.

Is this color coming back as a regular offering for cordovan colors, or is this a leftover of the color 4 run we just had here?
Can we organize a GMTO here for that color?😃😃
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I've used lots of different products on Cordovan - nothing seems to kill it but certain products can build up and reduce the shine:
1. I find Argan Oil-based products good to soften Cordovan - Boot Black from Japan;
2. Famaco do a really good cream for Cordovan that leaves the best lustre;
3. Saphir Cordovan Cream is another good cream - doesn't get quite as lustrous as Famaco;
4. Boot Black again do a Cordovan Cream that leaves a similar shine to the Saphir products;
5. I've never used Saphir Renovateur - I've read similar to you regarding its ingredients.
Hope this helps.
I own all shell* and it's easy so easy to care for.

My for longevity plan.

-If not dirty and has been treated with cordovan cream within the past 6 months just a brush is all that is needed.
-Same as above but dirty, damp cloth to take off dirt then brush.
-Every 6 months regardless of anything, clean with damp cloth if needed, then hit with Saphir renovateur, brush, then hit with clear or color (depending on shoe color) Saphir cordovan cream, then brush.
-If something goes crazy like caught in bad rain, snow, mud, something that get the shoes wet or dirty clean with damp cloth let dry then do the 6 month above.

Notes IMO I have never found the need to brush like crazy I find only a few min yields the same results as longer so I go with a few min max.

Honestly the above is probably overkill as shell is extremely durable. But we have all seen those 20+ year old shell shoes on ebay with cracks (calf too all leather drys out). So since I plan to keep my shoes for the rest of my life and pass to my son I take preventative care.

I have also found that many of the care products have the same or almost the same ingredients so I don't think there is much difference in particular brands even products within the same brand.

Example: Saphir Renovateur or "blue Line" is basically the same, as Saphir Medaille d'Or Renovator. The difference is Renovateur uses beeswax and carnauba whereas Saphir Medaille d'Or Renovator has uses beeswax. I used both products and can not tell them apart, if used under polish then you definitely will not notice at all. If using alone then the difference is incontestable and does not warrant at 13 cents an ml extra. You basically get the same product for 19 cents an ml versus 32 an ml. Like many brands one drop of X call it premium and you can charge more as someone will pay the extra cash thinking it is better.

Anyways as always Opinions vary widely so as long as you are doing some form of care you should be fine.


*Ok my slippers are suede but my sneakers are Carmina shell!
I typically will brush off any surface dirt/dust, wipe down with a wet (not damp, wet) cloth, dry/buff a bit, then brush again. If it's looking dry I'll hit it with some VSC (or paste wax only for Alden shell). Not hard to care for.
Most has been said, I'd like to add that cordovan specific cream is not overkill and regular Saphir renovateur should indeed not be used (or most mirror shine waxes). Yes, you will not see any damage or difference when doing it occasionally or just for a few times. But, as you already heard, shell cordovan is not a real leather but tight fibers that will losen up when solvents are applied. The effects will accumulate over time.

I'm using the Saphir cordovan cream but I also used some mink oil (without any additives, still lying around from my Red Wing Kit). Basically, fats (also when containing waxes like e.g. beeswax) are Ok and good to renurture it and it will give that shine back once you feel it is necessary (after a few times in rain certain areas felt a little dry to me e.g.).

My tip: just use common sense and your intuiton /feeling: brush them to give them that nice typical shine when they don't shine, when you feel like they are a little dry, just apply some fat/ wax based cream without solvents (alcohols, terpentine, acetone ...). If you are not sure just read the ingredients list. Thats it.
There is no need to buy one specific product nore follow rule x or wait x month to apply creme z and brush for y minutes.
So let me get this straight. I should brush everytime I use my shell and use a damp/wet cloth when dirty? I should condition them with Saphir renovateur NOT USE Saphir renovateur use a Fat base product like pure mink oil or use Argon oil base lotion every 6months or when they feel dry and Use Cordovan cream every 6 to 10 wears? Did I get that right?

Thanks for your time and info everyone
 

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