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I don’t think so, as the foot would likely fill out the shoe further back.
Right if your foot is filling the shoe further back in the shoe, wouldn't the roll in your foot, where your foot bends, be further back in the shoe too if the shoe were too large.

Maybe an argument can be made that the foot shifts too far forward in the shoe because of the extra length and bends it past the captoe because of the extra length.
 

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Right if your foot is filling the shoe further back in the shoe, wouldn't the roll in your foot, where your foot bends, be further back in the shoe too if the shoe were too large.

Maybe an argument can be made that the foot shifts too far forward in the shoe because of the extra length and bends it past the captoe because of the extra length.
🤷🏻‍♂️I’m not an expert. I was merely expressing an opinion....
 

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@stook1

I was thinking exactly the same thing - trying the Detroit as a NST to get a Carmina version of the classic Alden Indy boot. I searched for examples of Detroit as NST but couldn’t find any. I’ve never seen the the Detroit IRL and some of the photos I have seen ad cordovan Chukka make it look a little clumpy.

Do you have boots on Detroit? If so can you share pics?

Thanks
 
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@stook1

I was thinking exactly the same thing - trying the Detroit as a NST to get a Carmina version of the classic Alden Indy boot. I searched for examples of Detroit as NST but couldn’t find any. I’ve never seen the the Detroit IRL and some of the photos I have seen ad cordovan Chukka make it look a little clumpy.

Do you have boots on Detroit? If so can you share pics?

Thanks
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The "classic" Indy, I believe, is on the Trubalance, which is a comfortable but significantly less shapely than any Carmina last. The Barrie might be a closer comparison to Detroit except that it's a round toe while Detroit is more of a soft square, albeit subtle. Detroit also has a slight height taper into the end of the toe. The shape is kind of different from Barrie in my opinion.

With all that said, the plaza NST, which is the one I was talking about is pretty fantastic, and not the typical Alden indy or nst last. It rides that line between dressy and casual quite well and is, to me, extremely well suited to the NST.

The Detroit is a little more chunky than the plaza but I don't think it's as wildly different as you might think. The plaza, to me at least, is like a mix between Rain and Detroit. The height of the toe box of the plaza seems more similar to rain but the width of the toe is closer to detroit, whereas rain is definitely more narrow at the tip of the toe.

I am not aware of anyone buying an NST on the Detroit thus far. I've asked Carmina a couple of times for a sample picture but I've never seen it done. So, my suggestion is that you take one for the team and buy a pair! :)

Sorry, I realize this is a rediculous post about tiny details. I spent a considerable amount of time (way too much) scrutinizing a few of these lasts while debating my Carmina NSTs.
 

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🤷🏻‍♂️I’m not an expert. I was merely expressing an opinion....
I just know that on the pairs of shoes that are too large on me, they tend to get creasing in weird places. Can't really say why.
 

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Is that right? If a shoe is too large shouldn't the crease fall further back on a shoe?
All that leather needs to go somewhere - he has multiple creases near the big toe. When the foot is flexed, that leather that needs to go somewhere is trying to go up against both the toe stiffener and the top of the foot
 

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I must be missing something. I am totally baffled by why those creases are not perfectly normal looking and not particularly noticeable. Might be time for my next eye exam?
 

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Hopefully what is left of my eyesight will be able to appreciate the color 4 boots I ordered today... :-D (And hopefully they don't result in any funny creasing!)
 

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@stook1

I was thinking exactly the same thing - trying the Detroit as a NST to get a Carmina version of the classic Alden Indy boot. I searched for examples of Detroit as NST but couldn’t find any. I’ve never seen the the Detroit IRL and some of the photos I have seen ad cordovan Chukka make it look a little clumpy.

Do you have boots on Detroit? If so can you share pics?

Thanks

I was debating very similar things so this is extremely useful, and I’ll probably go for the Detroit NST. Do you think storm welt would suit this style?

Also, for those that are on the Colour 4 shortlist did your codes waive the customisation fee? Mine hasn’t and wasn’t sure if this was meant to be a fee waive like normal GMTO or the code just gets you the 4 cordovan option.
 

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I was debating very similar things so this is extremely useful, and I’ll probably go for the Detroit NST. Do you think storm welt would suit this style?

Also, for those that are on the Colour 4 shortlist did your codes waive the customisation fee? Mine hasn’t and wasn’t sure if this was meant to be a fee waive like normal GMTO or the code just gets you the 4 cordovan option.
I thought the GMTOs are always a fee waive? I haven't done my color 4 order yet but I can confirm later. Edit: my PM from Carmina says it should waive the customization fee. I'd reach out to Carmina for help with your code.

Most people seem to order Detroit with a storm welt. However, the last can look surprisingly sleek with a flat welt. For some reason, I feel like the welt option makes a bigger visual difference on Detroit than some others. I'll update with examples shortly since I have the handy.

Please note, these are not my shoes:

Per my notes, these are unlined flat welt ptbs on detroit.
CarminaDetroitUnlinedPTBFLatWeltArmagnac.jpg
CarminaDetroitUnlinedPTBFLatWeltArmagnac2.jpg



From left to right (Detroit storm welt, Rain flat welt, Detroit flat welt).
CarminaDetroitvsRainvsDetroit2.jpg
 
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I was debating very similar things so this is extremely useful, and I’ll probably go for the Detroit NST. Do you think storm welt would suit this style?

Also, for those that are on the Colour 4 shortlist did your codes waive the customisation fee? Mine hasn’t and wasn’t sure if this was meant to be a fee waive like normal GMTO or the code just gets you the 4 cordovan option.
The code is supposed to remove the MTO fee (full cost -23%). If yours is not doing doing that, I would message Carmina.
 

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