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I might be able to help if you provide your AE lasts/sizes that fit best. However, if at all possible, I would certainly recommend trying on before getting an MTO.
Appreciate your willingness to help, and of course, you're right: ideally, I would want to get fitted in person, but the closest Carmina retailer is ~750 miles from where I live, so that's not an option right now...

My AE lasts and sizes:

Boulder Driving Moc (Handsewn 145 Last) in 9.5E is a bit long, but fits well in the toe box (instep is fine, if a bit of a non-issue, as it's a Venetian loafer)
Surrey Chukka and Higgins Mill (1757 Last) in 9.5E both fit well in toe box and instep
Mackenzie (2531 Last) in 9.5E fits well in the toe box, but doesn't have quite enough volume in the instep (there's a pronounced "V" in the quarters when laced up)
 

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This rule would break @madhat
Haha! It would be a beneficial tactic though!
Appreciate your willingness to help, and of course, you're right: ideally, I would want to get fitted in person, but the closest Carmina retailer is ~750 miles from where I live, so that's not an option right now...

My AE lasts and sizes:

Boulder Driving Moc (Handsewn 145 Last) in 9.5E is a bit long, but fits well in the toe box (instep is fine, if a bit of a non-issue, as it's a Venetian loafer)
Surrey Chukka and Higgins Mill (1757 Last) in 9.5E both fit well in toe box and instep
Mackenzie (2531 Last) in 9.5E fits well in the toe box, but doesn't have quite enough volume in the instep (there's a pronounced "V" in the quarters when laced up)
My guess is Detroit EEE at 8.5 is your starting point. Your 9E barrie closure doesn't indicate excessively large instep volume. BUT, my carmina knowledge is very limited (only tried Detroit EEE and Forest EEE)
 

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Haha! It would be a beneficial tactic though!

My guess is Detroit EEE at 8.5 is your starting point. Your 9E barrie closure doesn't indicate excessively large instep volume. BUT, my carmina knowledge is very limited (only tried Detroit EEE and Forest EEE)
Thanks, madhat - appreciate the help. :)
 

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Appreciate your willingness to help, and of course, you're right: ideally, I would want to get fitted in person, but the closest Carmina retailer is ~750 miles from where I live, so that's not an option right now...

My AE lasts and sizes:

Boulder Driving Moc (Handsewn 145 Last) in 9.5E is a bit long, but fits well in the toe box (instep is fine, if a bit of a non-issue, as it's a Venetian loafer)
Surrey Chukka and Higgins Mill (1757 Last) in 9.5E both fit well in toe box and instep
Mackenzie (2531 Last) in 9.5E fits well in the toe box, but doesn't have quite enough volume in the instep (there's a pronounced "V" in the quarters when laced up)
Haha! It would be a beneficial tactic though!

My guess is Detroit EEE at 8.5 is your starting point. Your 9E barrie closure doesn't indicate excessively large instep volume. BUT, my carmina knowledge is very limited (only tried Detroit EEE and Forest EEE)
Thanks, madhat - appreciate the help. :)
I’ll agree with madhat - Detroit (probably EEE) is likely the safest bet. Rain or Inca could work instep-wise, but each has a toebox limitation (big toe for Inca, little toe for Rain). Llubi could potentially work as well - similar to the HM fit but with an instep that is rather higher.

If it was me, I’d probably wait until I knew my size - the NYC store may do a customization event again this fall. However, if you’re definitely going to do it, Detroit is the best guess.
 

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I’ll agree with madhat - Detroit (probably EEE) is likely the safest bet. Rain or Inca could work instep-wise, but each has a toebox limitation (big toe for Inca, little toe for Rain). Llubi could potentially work as well - similar to the HM fit but with an instep that is rather higher.

If it was me, I’d probably wait until I knew my size - the NYC store may do a customization event again this fall. However, if you’re definitely going to do it, Detroit is the best guess.
Well, I did say "practically irresistible"... Those whole-cut boots are really pretty, but I'm a little hesitant to drop $600 on a MTO without having a good idea on sizing and last. Maybe I'll find a reason to visit NYC this summer... Thanks again for the insight. 👍
 

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I Just came from Carmina. If you are between 2 sizes like me, take the smallest on Detroit last. My good friends at the shop gave me 2 pairs of shoeslaces for my boots . Excellent service and expertise !. FYI they closed down the Granvia shop.
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Haha! It would be a beneficial tactic though!

My guess is Detroit EEE at 8.5 is your starting point. Your 9E barrie closure doesn't indicate excessively large instep volume. BUT, my carmina knowledge is very limited (only tried Detroit EEE and Forest EEE)
Can you please explain the difference between Detroit EEE and Forest EEE? I own Forest EEE and it is still a little tight. Unfortunately don’t have anywhere to try on Detroit EEE (and there is no RTW) so MTO would be a big risk.
 

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Can you please explain the difference between Detroit EEE and Forest EEE? I own Forest EEE and it is still a little tight. Unfortunately don’t have anywhere to try on Detroit EEE (and there is no RTW) so MTO would be a big risk.
Detroit has a bit wider heel, but not really more room than forest up front. I wish i'd taken notes in NYC...they had forest and Detroit EEE in my size (a black shell PTB). I think Detroit may have squished my pinky toe more but had more room for my big toe, but not a huge difference. @jet-stream @007Bond or @peppercorn78 may be able to give a better comparison.
 

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On a side note, the search function on the carmina site actually works really well. Put in a pattern or last and it gives results not only for what's currently available but also styles and patterns that aren't currently listed anywhere else.
I'd been wanting this style for so long! Sadly there's no shell cordovan option (but this came as no surprise to me .... I kinda understand the reason).

Anyhow, since the shell is not an option, there gone my automatic choice. As a result, I can't decide which leather to get .... so I just ordered (customized, that is) 2 pairs :)

Now another 45 days give or take.
 

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I'd been wanting this style for so long! Sadly there's no shell cordovan option (but this came as no surprise to me .... I kinda understand the reason).

Anyhow, since the shell is not an option, there gone my automatic choice. As a result, I can't decide which leather to get .... so I just ordered (customized, that is) 2 pairs :)

Now another 45 days give or take.
Yup seen this, was so excited as I have been wanting these, went to order no shell so sadly passed.
 

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Hi all. Some-time lurker, first post though. I'm hoping the knowledgeable folk here could help me work out what to look for in my next pair of Carmina shoes. I have had some useful diagrams and measurements from emailing Carmina directly, but would appreciate some guidance on the following:

- Do people generally take the same size for both shoes and boots in the same last from Carmina?
- Is a lace-up boot more forgiving in terms of sizing than a style that doesn't use laces?
- Do people generally take the same size in both Oscar and Rain lasts?

Thank you!

(For reference, I currently own a pair of single monks in size 9 Rain that are slightly too big but are a good fit with added inserts. I purchased them from the outlet with the intention of seeing how they worked with sizing and am happy with the shoes.)
 

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Hi all. Some-time lurker, first post though. I'm hoping the knowledgeable folk here could help me work out what to look for in my next pair of Carmina shoes. I have had some useful diagrams and measurements from emailing Carmina directly, but would appreciate some guidance on the following:

- Do people generally take the same size for both shoes and boots in the same last from Carmina?
- Is a lace-up boot more forgiving in terms of sizing than a style that doesn't use laces?
- Do people generally take the same size in both Oscar and Rain lasts?

Thank you!

(For reference, I currently own a pair of single monks in size 9 Rain that are slightly too big but are a good fit with added inserts. I purchased them from the outlet with the intention of seeing how they worked with sizing and am happy with the shoes.)
1. I haven't seen a need to size differently for shoes and boots in the same last.
2. Well, loafers are notoriously difficult to size in general, and you can wear different socks with boots that'll fill up some space. But I don't really find that most of Carmina's boots are meant to be worn with thicker socks.
3. I think most people do size Oscar and Rain the same, but I go TTS on Oscar and 1/2 down on Rain. Judging by your description of how 9 Rain fits I'd probably recommend 9 Oscar.
 

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