Persons needed for MTO: Qty. 6. More can join, does NOT have to be ONLY 6. Carmina Austerity Brogue in Tobacco Suede. Rain Last on Dainite or Tomir Sole, Dark Brown Edge Trim. Lining Red. Will need 6 people to avoid MTO fees. Approximate cost is $455, this includes shipping. DETAILS: Who handles the actual shipment of the shoes? gentlemensfootwear How long is the wait for the shoes? 3 months approximately. Who will the deposit be made to? gentlemensfootwear, 50% deposit is required, no refunds on MTO. and can I pay by Paypal? Yes Pictured Austerity Brogue is in Snuff Suede and I added Chocolate Suede as a comparison.