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Car totaled, need new 1, BMW vs Lexus

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by von Rothbart, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. DNW

    DNW Senior member

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    I have both. I have a Lexus GS 300 ( my wife's car) and a BMW 745Li. Both are EXCELLENT cars. The Lexus is a very reliable, sporty and well built car. I have never had a problem with it! Maintenance costs are a little steep for a Toyota brand in my opinion. The BMW is my favorite car by far. It is large, roomy, sporty and luxorious. The BMW has a 100,000 mile maintenance plan on it where I don't pay for ANYTHING but gas and tires. And I mean ANYTHING. I've had my dealership take dings out of the doors for me. I do need to say that since the 745 was extremely aggressive when it came to the number of innovations included in the car, there were a few issues with the earlier models. 2002 was a bad year, 2003 was OK and then 2004-present were pretty good. My car is a 2003 and a few sensors did need to be replaced. I have had no major issues with the car and I love it. The Lexus LS 470 is an AWESOME car but I don't think you will get the BMW performance. PM me if you have any questions.


    Where are you buying this BMW with a 100k maintenance plan? The only thing available in the US is a 4yr/50k maintenance. The door ding thing is probably based on your relationship with your dealer. It's not available as part of the maintenance. The maintenance plan, however, alone justifies the BMW's higher costs over Lexus and Audi.
     
  2. LSeca

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    Where are you buying this BMW with a 100k maintenance plan? The only thing available in the US is a 4yr/50k maintenance. The door ding thing is probably based on your relationship with your dealer. It's not available as part of the maintenance. The maintenance plan, however, alone justifies the BMW's higher costs over Lexus and Audi.

    You have the opportunity to extend the maintenance out to 100k miles on every BMW, from the factory it is 50k for free. For my 335 it cost around 1400 dollars, great deal. This isn't scheduled maintenance like Audi used to have, but anything at anytime that the car needs it with one exception -tires are on the owner, my M3 even had a new clutch put in for free as it is considered normal wear and tear. This is a great deal and is currently the reason BMW is the lowest cost car, at any price or brand, to maintain. Two of the highest cost brands for factory scheduled maintenance are Lexus and Infinity (according to edmonds.com). Of course, once you hit 100k, I would move on to something else.

    If you value a smooth ride, I would advise the Lexus. They are nice cars with softer suspension, keep in mind the 3 is somewhat firm.
     
  3. DNW

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    You have the opportunity to extend the maintenance out to 100k miles on every BMW, from the factory it is 50k for free. For my 335 it cost around 1400 dollars, great deal. This isn't scheduled maintenance like Audi used to have, but anything at anytime that the car needs it with one exception -tires are on the owner, my M3 even had a new clutch put in for free as it is considered normal wear and tear. This is a great deal and is currently the reason BMW is the lowest cost car, at any price or brand, to maintain. Two of the highest cost brands for factory scheduled maintenance are Lexus and Infinity (according to edmonds.com). Of course, once you hit 100k, I would move on to something else.

    If you value a smooth ride, I would advise the Lexus. They are nice cars with softer suspension, keep in mind the 3 is somewhat firm.


    Right, you can get it, but it isn't free. I'm surprised that BMW doesn't push this benefit. We have several BMWs in my family, and it's great not having to think about maintenance issues. My mom's X5 is now out of the maintenance period and she's probably going to get another one partly because of this reason.
     
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    Right, you can get it, but it isn't free. I'm surprised that BMW doesn't push this benefit. We have several BMWs in my family, and it's great not having to think about maintenance issues. My mom's X5 is now out of the maintenance period and she's probably going to get another one partly because of this reason.

    Surely the cost of buying a new car outweighs maintenance? It's not like BMWs become unreliable at 100k.
     
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    Surely the cost of buying a new car outweighs maintenance? It's not like BMWs become unreliable at 100k.
    Ha, no. Far from that, my mom drives very little. He car probably has about 50k now at the most for a 2000 model. She's looking for a new one because the old one feels...a bit old. That and a few electronic things have started to malfunction over the past 2 years or so. You know, the gift that keeps on giving that BMW doesn't tell its customers. Having to pay for maintenance is just the last straw on the camel's back, so to speak.
     
  6. Artisan Fan

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    Do you have the new IS? What are the maintenance costs? Are you able to go to Toyota dealerships for general maintenance since there are more of them?

    I have driven the new IS three times now. It is every bit the equal of a 3 Series BMW which many friends of mine have. As fast, as good at handling, more luxury, better service experience.

    I have an ES330 now but I am eyeing the new IS or possibly a Porsche Cayman.
     
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    This statement baffles me. My experience with a wide variety of Lexi has been totally the opposite. As a car detailing enthusiast, I can attest to quality of the interior plastic and real wood inlays and the absence of noise and any rattles over tens of thousands of miles.
     
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    I have driven the new IS three times now. It is every bit the equal of a 3 Series BMW which many friends of mine have. As fast, as good at handling, more luxury, better service experience.

    I have an ES330 now but I am eyeing the new IS or possibly a Porsche Cayman.


    I love the new IS but the Porsche Cayman would be pretty tempting if I could afford it.
     
  9. LSeca

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    The free maitenance is a huge bonus for me. As dealers make more and more of their margins in the service dept anymore (margins on new cars are down) it is nice not to have to haggle with repair bills or authorize this or that. I drop off my car, they repair or replace everything and charge teh manufacturer. Btw, I don't know if it has changed but you can extend teh maintenance on a BMW at anytime you want, as long as the factory program has not run out. Last year, the "inpection two" on teh M came up. Everything from new plugs, belts, hoses, and valve adjustments was performed. This was an all day job. The cost was zero for me, the bill would have been over two grand.

    I know Lexus makes a great and reliable car though. I believe they are somewhat lower cost than a european counterpart. I like teh GS, the ES has always looked like a Camry with a gold package slapped on it. I would advise to narrow down what you want further and try to drive them back to back, then decide.
     
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    BMW styling is just awful these days. That brand has gone to shit IMO. The 3 series looks nice, but I'd still feel badly about indirectly supporting the rubbish that they are churning out of their factories these days.

    I agree to an extent - the BMW mass market cars of recent years have been hideous.

    The last car I liked was the E46 M3.

    I like what I have seen of the new E92 M3.

    I also liked the new CS concept unveiled in Shanghai.

    All the rest are crap.
     
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    I find Japanese cars to be rather shoddy especially in regards to details and interior.

    Million mile cars are not anything new for Mercedes-Benz which has several vintage models that have exceeded the million mark.

    http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/histor...illion-mile.do

    http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/history/news/taxi.do


    We're talking about modern cars, not the 1970s, Lexus has only been around since the 90s. You'd be hard pressed to get a modern Mercedes over 1 million miles without burning a very large hole in your pocket.
     
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    I also liked the new CS concept unveiled in Shanghai.


    +1 I really hope this is the design theme they will use in th coming years.
     
  13. Nantucket Red

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    I can't imagine why anyone would consider a Lexus. I drove one a few years back that had such horrible understeer it made moderate curves feel like hairpins at speed. My Chevy Suburban handled better.
     
  14. Artisan Fan

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    One thing I have learned as a detailer is that the Benz paint is way over-rated. You can find very bad "orange peel" on current model S Class. A shame at the price they charge.

    The new Lexus paint process for the LS460 is widely considered among the best globally. I just detailed a black one and it was flawless. You literally and technically have to move up to the hand lacquer work on a Bentley to beat it.
     
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    I can't imagine why anyone would consider a Lexus. I drove one a few years back that had such horrible understeer it made moderate curves feel like hairpins at speed. My Chevy Suburban handled better.

    Jeez. I like my car and really never gave it much more thought than that.[​IMG]
     
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    Jeez. I like my car and really never gave it much more thought than that.[​IMG]

    Not much into the driving experience, I take it.
     
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    Not much into the driving experience, I take it.

    [​IMG]
     
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    You'd opt for the Lexus over the BMW, then?
     
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    I think Lexus makes excellent cars, but I don`t think they are as luxurious as the hype says they are.

    Remember they were not luxury cars from the beginning, as they were just rebadged Toyotas, marketed only in the U.S. as luxury cars.

    Maybe if we chop it up, we will find a camry inside, but with nice materials added on the outside [​IMG]
     
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    I think Lexus makes excellent cars, but I don`t think they are as luxurious as the hype says they are.

    Remember they were not luxury cars from the beginning, as they were just rebadged Toyotas, marketed only in the U.S. as luxury cars.

    Maybe if we chop it up, we will find a camry inside, but with nice materials added on the outside [​IMG]


    I wonder if its machine stitching or hand stitching? (Most (all?) of Ferrari's interiors are hand-stitched).

    Jon.
     

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