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Car Detailing

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by tiecollector, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Senior member

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    About 3 weeks ago I was at a vintage car show in CT. I came across Poor Boys products while there. They had a booth and needless to say with all the street credit these guys seem to have I dropped $200 pretty fast.

    Prices are good and they sell by the gallon and it saves alot of money in the long run.

    I wasn't sure which of there waxes to buy so I bought them all. In the end I really like the Natty Red. Guess it depends on the color of the car but with my metalic blue porsche it looked really dam good.

    The white diamond glaze did a great job of hiding imperfections. I haven't had alot of experience with different glazes and this is the first one I am happy with. Did a great job of hiding those microscopic scratches.

    My favorite products it there spray and gloss. Bought a couple of gallons of this. Glad I did. Been using it on my cars instead of continually washing them. The porsche is far from water tight so the less it gets wet the better. With some thick micro fiber towels is does a great job of getting the car clean and making it shine.

    I haven't tried the wheel sealant yet. To lazy to take my wheels off and clean them spotless at the moment.


    Glad you found something you like. I know the owner of Poorboys and have tested all of their products. Good stuff but imho Zaino is better. I do buy lots of the microfiber towels (the Deluxe Mega Towel is terrific). Their carnaubas are very good but their sealants are just average.
     
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    My favorite products are the makita rotary (which I have not mastered yet lol!) and the euro 3m backing plates, both the firm and soft foam versions.

    I have a Makita 9227, the best rotary I have tried. The 3M plates are good but I slightly prefer Lake Country:

    http://www.lakecountrymfg.com/

    [​IMG]

    Best polishing pads out there. [​IMG]
     
  3. mikeman

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    So I know this is kind of random, ,as some of us are in the middle of winter, but I have a few questions.

    I forgot to bring all my car care stuff in the house, and most of it froze( zaino polish, clay, etc.) Will it still be good once it thaws?

    What is the benefit of a random orbital polisher over say hand applying some zaino polish? I dont have any swirls in my paint.
    Thanks
     
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    So I know this is kind of random, ,as some of us are in the middle of winter, but I have a few questions. I forgot to bring all my car care stuff in the house, and most of it froze( zaino polish, clay, etc.) Will it still be good once it thaws? What is the benefit of a random orbital polisher over say hand applying some zaino polish? I dont have any swirls in my paint. Thanks
    Clay and polish will be okay once it thaws...less sure about the sealant. My garages are sealed so it never gets below 58 degrees Fahrenheit. The benefit of the random orbital like a Porter Cable (often abbreviated "PC") 7336 or 7424 or similar machine is faster polishing, less work and more even results. Hand polishing is really a tough slog. A PC can really do wonders on "5" or "6" once you get the technique down and there is less chance of causing damage to angled bodywork. You really get a nice gloss. Polishing is like prepping walls for painting. The prep determines much of the final result. Several retailers such as AutoGeek, CMA (Proper Auto Care) and Autopia have been hurting a bit during the recession so you should be able to get a deal on a PC now. Prices will likely rise by the spring/summer start of detailing season. www.properautocare.com www.autogeek.net www.autopia.org
     
  5. turboman808

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    Near as I can tell Zaino doesn't make a polish at all. What they call polish is really a sealant.

    if all your doing is applying zaino then you don't need a porter cable. Never seen anyone other then a salesman trying to convince me I need a portercable use them for applying waxes and sealants.

    For true polishing you cannot do it by hand. You need a portercable.
     
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    There are way too many zaino zealots in this world.
     
  7. Artisan Fan

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    Near as I can tell Zaino doesn't make a polish at all. What they call polish is really a sealant.

    if all your doing is applying zaino then you don't need a porter cable. Never seen anyone other then a salesman trying to convince me I need a portercable use them for applying waxes and sealants.

    For true polishing you cannot do it by hand. You need a portercable.


    Let me correct the fail point by point:

    1. Zaino makes a polish called Z-PC.

    2. Z-PC is not a sealant. Zaino AIO is a combination of both.

    3. The PC is used for polishing to prep the surface which is critical to a good job in my experience. You don't need it to apply Zaino, in fact I prefer hand application with an mf pad.
     
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    Let me correct the fail point by point:

    1. Zaino makes a polish called Z-PC.

    2. Z-PC is not a sealant. Zaino AIO is a combination of both.

    3. The PC is used for polishing to prep the surface which is critical to a good job in my experience. You don't need it to apply Zaino, in fact I prefer hand application with an mf pad.


    So use the swirl remover for polishing and use the polish for sealing. Just like NuFinish the once a yer car polish. [​IMG]

    Still haven't tried Zaino on any of my cars. Bought Z2 last year. Probably try it on the accord in a few months. It's in really bad shape.
     
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    So use the swirl remover for polishing and use the polish for sealing. Just like NuFinish the once a yer car polish. [​IMG]

    This makes no sense. Did you even read what I typed?

    You wash the car, clay it, polish it 1-3X, then apply a sealant.
     
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    So use the swirl remover for polishing and use the polish for sealing. Just like NuFinish the once a yer car polish. [​IMG]

    Hey don't knock the nufunish

    I use that stuff all the time on bicycles and it does great stuff to the paint.
     
  11. Artisan Fan

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    Further data on Zaino polishes...I'm a beta tester for Zaino and have been using their Z-PC polish for 3+ years. It has no sealant at all in it. It's just a solution with diminishing abrasives. Here it is: http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/...oduct_Count=20 I also can recommend the 3M products for polishing and the Menzerna line.
     
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    i gotta link you something so that I can get your opinion on the process used by some other peoples.

    RickRack does great work. I've been on Autopia for years and watched him hone his polishing technique.

    I wonder if RickRack has ever been RickRolled? [​IMG]

    Also check out the fine work by my friend Bryan (gmblack3). Rick and I use the same Lake Country pads. The Menzerna polishes are great but I recommended Z-PC here since it is more easy to work with and less expensive and does 99% of the quality.
     
  14. greg_atlanta

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    Does Zaino protect the paint like wax? Better than wax?

    I'm currently using one grand blitz wax (carnuba) on a silver G35 sedan every 4-6 months.
     
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    Zaino is the greatest thing on earth and perfect for everyone (29).
     
  16. Artisan Fan

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    Does Zaino protect the paint like wax? Better than wax? I'm currently using one grand blitz wax (carnuba) on a silver G35 sedan every 4-6 months.
    In my experience carnaubas never last more than 2-3 months. One Grand has more durability than most but if you live in a harsh winter climate I think a sealant is better due to infrequency of waxing and extra protection. For the first question, Zaino protects the paint even better than wax. The cross-linking of its polymers creates a tough shell and it leaves a slick surface (if you do a decent job polishing or have a new car) that resists dirt getting embedded. For a silver car like my Lexus and your G35, Z-2Pro works really well. Greg, if you want to try some, I can provide a sample since you are local.
     
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    Does the water bead up like with wax?

    I have seen some Zaino examples, it's very glossy..... almost obnoxiously so on a silver car.
     
  18. Artisan Fan

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    Does the water bead up like with wax?

    I have seen some Zaino examples, it's very glossy..... almost obnoxiously so on a silver car.


    Yep, really nice beading.
     
  19. turboman808

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    Does Zaino protect the paint like wax? Better than wax?

    I'm currently using one grand blitz wax (carnuba) on a silver G35 sedan every 4-6 months.


    Carnuba doesn't last long at all. This is with natty red and white diamonds. Great looking setup but only works with a garage queen.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Artisan Fan

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    Carnuba doesn't last long at all. This is with natty red and white diamonds. Great looking setup but only works with a garage queen.

    I agree - just not durable enough for most people. Perfect for garage queens though.

    I have several of the various Natty's paste waxes. Good product for the money. My favorite though remains Pinnacle Souveran which has beat every Zymol "estate glaze" I've put it up against.
     

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